islam teaches it is okay to Lie to deceive non muslims, and to lie to loved ones to avoid harsh truths. This is called TAQIYYA (ta-key-yah) in islam. To lie to protect islam.

Shia muslims believe those who dont practice taqiyya (decite) dont have faith.

islam claims the shield of allah is Taqiyya (deception) thus use lies for protection.

>* Jn.8:44 *< *Satan is the father of lies



 According to quran islamic god (allah) is the best deciever.


 (On page 247), Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good." Reasons in the Hadith (emphasized by mohammed-)


1) For reconciliation among people. (Prov.9:8 / Ecc.7:5 / Lk.17:3) 

2) In war.

3) Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family. (What other occassions are there???)


Justifications/ principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so. 1)War is deception. 2)The necessities justify the forbidden.

General standard) If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two. "justify the forbidden"


This is the Pride of SATAN. Wisemen seek edification but fools dispise correction- (Prov.12:26 / Prov.3:5;1:5), Also in Christianity we have a thing we call discernment we don't seek to decieve and influtrate the enemy nor do we spread our faith by force. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." - 9th COMMANDMENT (8th if your catholic or lutheran)/ Ex.20:16/ Deut.5:20



_Ok 4 muslim to deny allah__ Sura 16:106 says a muslim can even deny "allah" to deceive non muslims, but an infidel will pay a price for the same. (Matt.10:28,32,33,34, 38/ Mk.8:34/ Rev.6:9-11)

"Any one who, after accepting faith in allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty."

 Obama openly claimed his Muslim belief as a young man and spoke the shahadah (oath of a muslim). The only standard of being considered muslim!! Under the concept of Takeyya (al-Taqiyya literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies" ) if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable: 1) Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan. 2) Renounce belief in Allah. 3) Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah. 4) Utter insincere oaths. (3:28 / 28:5 / 9:29/ 5:98/ 16:106/) - such as the oath obama took for office!


Sura 3:28 The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from GOD. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution. GOD alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. To GOD is the ultimate destiny.



The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:


Thus, the quran unashamedly calls muhammad’s god the best liar and deceiver of them all! It even dares to say that ALL deception belongs completely to allah:

And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all deception/scheming is allah's (falillahi al-makru). He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end. allah best deciever Sura. 13:42 (3:54/8:30/* 7:99/ 27:50)


Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99


Makra- clearly means fraud, deception 

Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.

Example Suras:

perf. act. 3:54, 3:54, 7:123, 13:42, 14:46, 16:26, 16:45, 27:50, 40:45, 71:22
impf. act. 6:123, 6:123, 6:124, 8:30, 8:30, 8:30, 10:21, 12:102, 16:127, 27:70, 35:10
n.vb. 7:99, 7:99, 7:123, 10:21, 10:21, 12:31, 13:33, 13:42, 14:46, 14:46, 14:46, 27:50, 27:50, 27:51, 34:33, 35:10, 35:43, 35:43, 71:22
pcple. act. 3:54, 8:30

Some muslims like to translate it as "plot" instead of "decieve" but these verses clearly show deception. It cant be disguised with a more politically correct translation.


In fact, the Quran states that Allah actually raises wicked individuals to deceive and scheme:

Even so have we placed in every city, ringleaders of its wicked ones, to scheme therein (liyamkuroo): but only against themselves shall they scheme (yamkuroona)! and they know it not. S. 6:123

And further commands people to do evil so that he can then have a reason to destroy them!

S. 17:16

__muslims attempt to lie to you on the subject___

Muslims are told allah is the best deciever/ (Abrogated) contridiction:The Quran says: "Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies." Surah 40:28. In the Hadith, Mohammed was also quoted as saying, "Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell."


Surah 5:89 / Surah 2:225 / 3:28 lies can be used for the final goal is to Allah. Same area says you are not to be friends with Jews or Christians and still be in good standing with "Allah" yet it says to tell them you are their friend to guard yourself against them. Muslims are told to lie for the good of islam. Islam cant be of God if Christianity and Judaism are.



Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


James 1:13

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:


____Deciet will never be a Christian tactic_____

Matt.10:14 / Proverbs 12:26 / Proverbs 13:1

2 Jn.1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


Christians dont lie to get others to accept them as Christians. Christians dont lie to gain converts. Christians know you cant force others to embrace The true God. (The Crusaders were protecting themselves and others seeing as Romans were in the area and muslims came against them and vowed to kill those who wouldnt accept islam.) Christians have war stratigies, but do not see lies as a Christian trait. Lies are a trait of the great deciever Satan. Those who embrace such are showing fruits of the enemy of the Holy Spirit (truth).

Muslim cleric teaches how to lie for islam.

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allah leads people astray (Sura 6:39,126) he doesnt help those he leads astray (30:29) uses these people to populate hell (32:13).

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
I am calling to mind the scripture Jeremiah 14:11 and it makes my heart confused, and I am afraid of offending God by praying for the people spoken of here. Without saying the identity of these people I believe are spoken here, I wonder if any can help expound on this command from God in Jer. 14.

Have anyone else been sort of afraid to pray for someone ( who may be "not of our flock"? ) To offend Allmighty god is like ripping out my fingernails with bamboo sticks in my mind & heart.

I will say the word.MUSLIM. Di we not pray for those ffollowing the evil one. I believe the MUSLIM faith ( allah, ) is evil. Please excuse my ignorence.

YHVH encourages his sheep to aquire knowledge, and use their heads.

- Is.1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:"
- 1 cor.2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

- Joshua 1:8
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success

We feed our spirits with truth (The Word) and lean not unto our own understanding, Christians dont just follow self proclaimed prophets blindly, we discern fruits and compare mans words to those of YHVH to see if the stand up.

Allah says not to ask questions. (Surah 5:101-102)
"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. but if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, God will forgive those: for God is oft-forgiving, most Merciful.. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."

Real muslims are to have no respect for (hate) Christians:
- Sura 3:28 The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from GOD. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution. GOD alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. To GOD is the ultimate destiny.
- Surah 5:51 O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
- Sura 6:1 Praise be to Allah, Who hath created the heavens and the earth, and hath appointed darkness and light. Yet those who disbelieve ascribe rivals unto their Lord.

No taqiyya in islam? Blog by David Wood

Quran 5:101

O believers! Do not ask questions about things that if revealed to you, may cause you trouble. .... Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their

Muslims have silly questions (and statements probably cause they have nothing of vaule to share). For some reason they constantly ask that we show where "bible" and "Christianity" is mentioned in the bible. As if these spacific words Must be mentioned for them to exsist it seems. Anyway, the word "bible" is a translation from biblos (greek) which is found several times in the Original (greek) text of the bible (nt/ many of which elude to the Ot). These verses are listed here 

(anything from scroll, book, to collection of books)

"Christianity" isnt in the bible however "Christian is Acts 11:26 Acts 26:28 and 1 Pet.4:16. What is the religion of a Christian? CHRISTIANITY. Also if you knew what Christianity means you would see its all through the bible (one who acknowledges & follows Christ/ the anointed one). Christ says follow me in the bible as well Matt.16:24 Matt 4:19 Mk.1:17 This act is called CHRISTIANITY.


Lies Muslims uses to promote Islam Takiyya, Tawriya, Muruna, Kitman. Takiyya; is defined as dissimulation about Muslim identity. It comes from the verse in the Quran that says, “Let believers not make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful – he that does has nothing to hope for from Allah – except in self-defense (illaa an-tattaqu minhum tuqah) (Surah 3:28). This “self-defense” justifies dissimulation. Islamic Sharia Law provides, “When it is possible to achieve an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible, and lying is obligatory if the goal is obligatory.” (Reliance of the Traveler, Para r8.2) Examples include lying to protect Islam or a Muslim.

Tawryia: This ruse is considered legitimate according to Sharia law; it does not constitute "lying," which in Islam is otherwise forbidden, except in three cases: lying in war, lying to one's spouse, and lying in order to reconcile people. For these exceptions, Sharia permits Muslims to lie freely, without the strictures of tawriya, that is, without the need for creativity.For example, if someone declares "I don't have a penny in my pocket," most listeners will assume the speaker has no money on him—although he might have dollar bills, just literally no pennies.

Muruna, which literally means “stealth” or “flexibility.” It is far worse than taqiyya, since it sanctions all prohibitions that block Muslim interests, even blasphemous ones. Muruna allows Muslims to sow division and confusion in the Western world. In a recent sermon, this doctrine was exercised by General Guide of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Muhammad Badei, who laid out his vision for the post-revolutionary era while revealing aspects of a strategy followers should use to deal with secularism in the meantime: Do not fight the ways of the world because they are overpowering but try to overcome and use them, change their course, and pit some of them against others.
Kitman; comes from the Arabic word katama and means “to hide” or “to conceal”. There are eight different hadiths which, in slightly different versions, attribute the following saying to the Prophet Muhammad. Seek fulfillment for things you want to finish in kitman.
(Ista´ino ala Injahi  hawaijikum bil kitman)
Possibly the most important hadith for this citation is from Al-Albani, Sahih al-Jami´e nr. 943. Starting with the good aspects, we can say that a good type of kitman (concealment or hiding) is when you hide things still in process till they are complete. In our life, we may meet people who look with a malevolent eye to what we have, who are jealous that we have this and that, who are envious that we are blessed with this and that. Driven by their envy, hatred and dark intentions, they may plot for us or weave some traps. In order to be saved from their traps, we should keep hush-hush on things that are still in preparation. To this type of hiding, kitman is the best policy. In this regard, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, says in the hadith: “Seek fulfillment for things you want to finish inkitman.”
He himself gave the best example of such a type in the early days of Islam. When the number of Muslims was still small and the community was still weak, there was a big need for concealment or secret call (kitman) so as to save the cause of da`wah (inviting people to Islam) from the fierce enemies

Taqiya (تقیة taqiyyah/taqīyah, literally "fear, caution") is a form of Islamic dissimulation or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny their faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are in fear or at risk of significant persecution


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