Government

[His_Will]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia ;

http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=di... (protect and serve?) 

Discernment doesn't stop at the government (beast system).

The law (government) of man comes 2nd to The Law of God.

We the people are NOT the government.

The people are Not the first priority of the government. National pride can be a snare. 

(check the thread "Good = Bad/ Bad = Good?"!) 

All earthy kingdoms will serve the anti prior to arrival of Moshiach.

We are told that man will set up the one world system (NWO), it will recieve a deadly wound, and that this wound will be healed and the system will serve the wicked one who comes (with observation) disguised as one of light and will decieve all those OF the world and if it were possible even the elect. This antichrist comes before the true Christ and with the substance those of the world seek (Peace and Prosperity), all u will have to do is embrace (worship) Him and His ways (system). 

(2 Cor.11:14-15/2 Thess.2:3-12/Rom.12:2/ Mat.13:22/ Matt.24:24/ Dan.7/ Rev.13/ Dan.11:21-32)

Those who embrace the beast system will be among those who embrace the apostacy in spirit and works. They will be given a false sense of security (peace). The message of the apostacy is like that of pre trib doctrine: just come unto me (the anti) and all will be well, when we have already been warned not to Lk.17:21,23
Many sadly point to Rom.13:1-7 to claim God's people are to blindly trust and follow the government in Every way no matter what.
When it comes to The KINGDOM (phy./spiritual) of God, the power structure is set up by God and executes God's judgements. Elohim means Devine Judgement and consists of all instruments (The Many Membered Body) of The LORD. In days of the temple the Levitical priests  (& Judes) were the government (Deut.17:9) and were to execute G-D's Law. These nations are messured by God's Word and effected by it in their relationship with him. Ps:118:8
Rom.12:17-21
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

God's will always comes to pass thus fulfilling The WORD. We are told of the One World System and it's role, it's not all pleasent and even plays into the apostacy. There is a saying "Go for the head of the snake". (Jn.19:10-11)
Rom.13:1-7
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. (Matt.10:28/ Lk.12:4-5) Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. *Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; *fear to whom fear; *honour to whom honour.
God uses whomsoever He will (Discernment between clean and unclean spirits is a gift). Those who are choosen (and or called) are given knowledge of how to be fruitful instruments and when devoted in Faith, Nothing can prosper against them. All Praise To YHVH.
Satan Attempted to tempt Yeshua (Jesus).
Matt.4:8-10
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Jn.18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence

(1 Tim.6:13-15/Dan.2:44/ Dan.7:14/ Rev.11:15/ Rev.17:14)
God's elect in the end times have a job to do and they need not be told what that job is for they Know how to recognize The Holy Spirit (sword of truth) and it will be The WORD of The LORD that moves on the enemy.

Eph.6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places  
Ps.118:8
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
Ex.7:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god (O.T.-Elohim) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet (Ex.15:24/ Ex.16:8,9,11)

Elohim- devine judge/ Note: Moses didnt blindly follow the government which was one of idol worship and against The Almighty and His people.
Acts.5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men 

We are to respect the fact that God is in control and pay attention to the order of any given land while discerning its Role in the The Blueprint. Again The LORD is More than aware of what is going on and notice how as any nation embraces God it is blessed or as they stray they recieve effects. This is but another good reason to grow in your Personal Relationship with The Father.

1 Pet.2:13-17
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. *Honour all men. *Love the brotherhood. *Fear God. Honour the king.(Rom.13:7)
We know that The Law of God is above the law of man. We are to honor the order and laws of the land 2nd to the Way's of God. We are told to love The LORD our God and not to have any other gods but him.

*****Note: The Greek word translated punishment in vs.14 is ekdikesis and just so happens to be the same term used in Acts.7:24 where Moses avenged one of his people from mistreatment by Egyptian soilder of the local Government. Many may not see the value of this seeing as i have heard some "preach" that Moses was a "murderer" cause he slew (killed) this Roman soilder, not knowing that the commandment uses the Hebrew word for murder and the act of moses the word for kill (More). 1 Pet.2:12 the believers are being told to conduct themselves in a postive way among the nations that the nations will note their fruits and Praise Him! 

In the story of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego we see an example of the law of man coming 2nd to that of God! King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon had made an idol and demanded that all people in the region bow down to it. They refused and vowed to only worship The LORD. The responce by the king was to cast them into a fiery furnace. The power of God delievered them from harm to show that their God was in fact The LORD.

Daniel, Joseph, Yeshua, Sampson,... and more all were subjected to trails by governments and found gulity yet were given victory in YHVH! 

Lk.20:22 Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no?
vs.25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.
Jn.15:18-19/ Jn.17:14/ 1 Jn3:13

1 Cor.6:1-11/ Ex.18:15-27/Matt.7:1-6 May God Bless those who serve and protect The People. Thank you to all who stand (serve) against enemies both foreign and domestic. The solution isn't in the ballot box. His Will Be Done ^1.

The stranger in Israel was to live under Torah Law just as its citizens Ex.12:49/ Num.15:15-16

usa tares <-- are the answers to questions the government leaves unanswered signs of a sinister plan? <0> 

 rahm emanuel never let a crisis go to waste http://youtu.be/1yeA_kHHLow

[Erin Julia]

Yeah Brock I see your point...

[William H.]

Without embracing God, what purpose does law have in a nation where everyone does what is right in their own eyes? Only to control individual's spirit and works.

[His_Will]

Amen, Many good people died for this nation perhaps members of both our famliy lines, reguardless of the political agendas may their service for us never be in vain. I'm confident whatever u feel lead to do come election time wont be in rebellion to He who is worthy of praise seeing as you keep Him and His Word close.

[Erin Julia]

Yeah, it's funny how it seems so obvious to some that we are under the rule of princes with the minds of babes and yet it seems the majority of people are blind to it, otherwise the leadership wouldn't have gotten that way to begin with. Nevertheless God said it would be that way, and so it is... The whole election process seems totally warped to me as well all the way from the lobbiests, media, to the voting booth and counting the numbers. That's why I'm conflicted to some extent because I certainly have no assurance in the current process and definately don't want to be a partaker of evil deeds (though I know in my heart I won't worship or idolize any man or the antchrist) but also feel like if I don't vote I'm forfeiting one of the rights that I stand for as a citizen of a christian-based nation that a lot of people have died and bled for us to have..  At this point I feel compelled to vote, but I'm seeking what God would have me do, guess I'll know when I know, eh?  :) Praise YHVH

[His_Will]

(mainly sharing personal views)

 If someone feels moved to support or raise up certain options at the ballot box I would only suggest they do as they feel moved. I recall the election between Al Gore and Bush and it came down to the electorial vote rather than the individual peoples, Anyway If I honestly thought that the election process was what it appears to be and that there was a option that i could support without regret i would do so. 2 Jn 1:11 speaks of (enabling, supporting, blessing) embracing a false teacher In THEIR doctrine as Partaking of Their Evil Deeds. I personally see the role of certain public offices as a type of teaching or pushing of their ideologies (agendas, doctrines) of which Often conflicts with my walk with YHVH. To make a long story short, they are only doing their job to complete their roles and i am striving to do mine. Everything is going as planned and the time will come when God will seal a certain people with certain truths of the harvest. (At this point if i go to the ballot box it will probably be because of the bad fruits i haveseen coming from the ron paul supporters and for the reason of voting against him. I have had people claim i'm not Christian for no other reason than i dont support ron paul, I have been accused of being a "neo-con" and a Political zionist (which i often make clear that i am not) for no other reason than i dont support ron. I have had a ron paul supporter tell me that the only role of government should be in defensive war, then i ask what about civil law and order and recieve attacks on my beliefs. All these fruits by people claiming to be ron paul supporters and "Christains".  

 http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm 

U could go to college, work for a (Good) living and not be interested  in hand outs (or being a burden on others). Then come to findout that your young child contracted a rare disease that requires special h elp with no gaurante of healing. The medical help is miles and miles away and to give emotional support would mean time off work. Health insurace would eventually lapse after reaching its limit. In This situation ron says the church and family should take responciblity (some dont have a "church" or family) And co workers, family and church can help and u still loose EVERYTHING. Helping someone in this situation isnt good enough for Ron's tax dollars. So one who isnt a lazy bum could loosing everything and ron would see them as a good place to make cuts ???

In Deut. we see the priesthood which was the government taking a 10 percent tithe and it going towards those in great need in the community (orphans, widows, fatherless, hungry). What better purpose for taxes? Sure there is a problem with those taking advantage of charity in this nation but there are and can be punishments for that. Should those abuses of our system be fuel to refuse aid to those who Do need it? Any of us can find our selves in need (rich or poor today doesnt matter). This lady that seems to be loosing everything should now strain her family members and church as well when we all pay taxes that are going over seas, and paying insulting wages to those in washington who never put people first.
This same guy is logically justifying 911 with his coments on how our forien policies bring fuel these actions. reminds me of NYC mosque Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf : "The US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end" - sounds like he supports terror to me, what about the harm done to America (the West) and Americans.

Oddly enough I have cross paths with people claiming to be "Christian" on youtube that claim I'm not Christian for no other reason than i dont support ron. his Followers are so zealous they often bare bad fruits in communication with anyone who doesnt follow ron. some people been watching info wars to long.

I am very patriotic meaning I care for the ways and people of this nation just as i care for all peoples yet i care enough not to just support someone based off of flatteries. I reserve my right to exspress my voice as well, just not in the means of the ballot box. A lands government is reflective (representative) of Its overall standing with God and i dont like the changes in this nation (governmental and society) and i see a source of this change being represented by the public options at the ballot box.  

If The Word is truth, reguardless weather i personally do or dont vote for options i dont trust 1)The beast system will still fulfill its role, 2) it will serve the antichrist, and 3) certain people will be sealed and set apart from the world to fulfill a different role.... The same would also stand when we calculate All the votes (including the electorial votes;)!

 These individual canidates put themself on the public stage and become the faces of the issues and while this whole process gives people a sense of participation thats exactly what a wise power structure would want the people to believe and yet when the image many vote for openly changes latter then what? (cry next election?;) 

I will say this process (voting) when done honestly can serve as a postive when a nation generally has good moral foundations and standards as well. Afterall the people and biblical foundations are what made this nation great (and all this is under attack by the power structure). In this situation i would think it would be distasteful not to vote. Yet In a time when it seems the politicains have the minds of babes and there is a famine for hearing the words of God (Amos 8:11) and as in the days on Noah wickedness is incressed, even if the majority vote did stand it wouldnt stand for YHVH in spirit and in truth.

Those with the power dont give powers they cherish to "the people". Just look at Congress who votes to give themselves raises rather than leaving this to the people they claim they represent?!. 

[Erin Julia]

So do you think we shouldn't vote? I've been wrestling with this issue because we know the events which will take place concerning the NWO and so forth and it seems to me on one hand we should still do our duties in voting but at the same time don't know what good it would do if the destiny of the nation and world is already written..?

[His_Will]

Political (personal aims), Educational (knowledge/ good & evil), Economical (social well being), Ideological (Religious/faith) /4 hidden dynasties which serve the world (NWO beast system) and the role of antichrist

[His_Will]

RANT:

Here in the presidentail campaign season we see many putting their faith in the options the system supplies at the ballot box. There is no solution in the ballot box. We know that the NWO WILL come to pass just as it is written in the Word.  

As the World strays towards apostacy we see nations that once embraced biblical standards replaceing them with more socialist ideologies. We see the blind supporting the flatteries of the options supplied at the ballot box.

I know that politics can cause great division among those who follow certain options with extreme and i tend not to mention people by name in most subject matter but those who run for political office put themselves in this postion (yet is their personal lives an open book for lashon hara /gossip/ rather than their views, i personally dont want to know all these canidates love lives). I have put distance between me and some of my contacts during this political season cause i am sick of their propaganda.

To those with faith in the 2 party system, ask yourself who do i support, and why ???

We have canidates that are more focussed on unfounded rationalizations rather than Facts and People, canidates that don't understand who the enemies of America, Americans, & Christianity are or how to handle them rather (Ron Paul ) JUSTIFIES them. The massive support for such open stupidity has me concerned for the people of this nation rather than just the government its self. 

 None of the options (canidates) will stray from the agendas of the hidden power structure (Eph.6:12) that is Allowed to drive the public system today. Its time for those who claim to be "watchmen" to Know the two party system was only created to play both sides of the issues and to mold Weak minds. This is why the system controls who becomes a option at the ballot box for certain public roles. This is why u see the importance on the electorial vote of this republic. Try and put a outsider (indepentant) in office that the power structure doesnt approve of. It wont happen. 

Everything is going as planned and its time people start stressing their faith and trust in God rather than a political system (In Israel, USA, and worldwide) and yet how should we stand against the forces of darkness? By feeding ourselves with God's Word, in this way we can be armed for all trials & tribulation of this world. 2- difference/ 12- governmental perfection

The beast system will be making big moves this 2012 

In no way does this rant encourage riots or heathanistic outrage of any exsisting government as was seen in the middle east during 2/11. 2 - difference 11 - disorder

Whatsoever you Seek, Ye Shall find

Stay on the wall 

(No disrespect intended to any political affiliations)  

[William H.]

Hey Erin!

"scripture that deals with the subject of the hurt you feel from watching those you love being deceived" . This concern for others in their relationships with The Almighty is present in all of God's children!

The main area that your post causes me to reflect on is Exodus 32 ... When we see a picture of Moses being concerned for Israel. The LORD exspressed to Moses that He had had enough of the rebellion of Israel (Ex.32:10) and was considering destroying this people (Israel) and starting over with Moses. Moses was so concerned for his people (Israel) that he pleaded with YHVH on their behalf and reminded YHVH of His promises (Ex.32:13) unto Abraham of His descendants, and through Moses's relationship with Our Father The LORD's wrath did not wax hot. Moses later said (1 Tim.2:1-7). Moses upon returning to the people saw they had embraced idol worship. Moses ended up making each man choose weather or not they wanted to be on the side of The LORD (Ex.32:26). Those who didnt he ordered them to be killed. Then Moses went and spoke unto the LORD saying that Israel had commited a great sin and asked they be forgiven if not to blot blot him out of the book of life. YHVH said " Whosoever sinneth against me, him will I blot out of my book." (Ex.32:31-33)

Ps.19:9 The judgements of the LORD are just and true! We know of a truth that YHVH is no respector of persons and rather tries our hearts (The Heart Knower!).

Not everyone is at the same level of their spiritual walk but one thing is true that all will eventually know better (All in due time). Much like addiction one has to be ready for change. When one is ready The LORD has ways of touching them spiritually!

As for sharing in fruitful ways i agree The Holy Spirit shall guide! (sowing seed) Planting seed has alot to do with time and place. (Fishing) can only be fruitful when you have their interest!

Jn 6:44

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(1 Cor.3:7/ Proverbs 9:4-10/...)

God Bless Ya!

[Erin Julia]

There is no greater peace in this world than knowing God's plan. Something I was wondering, if someone could direct me to a scripture that deals with the subject of the hurt you feel from watching those you love being deceived, I know that once we have planted a seed we don't need to hold ourselves accountable for one's standing with God (unless they return for more truth) but it's very hard to just "not care" about a person and especially their relationships with God just because you tried to plant a seed and it didn't take. How are we to know if we used the right words? Or if we were too forceful or not passionate enough? The holy spirit guides us in teaching others, but just because it can doesn't necessarily mean it will, right? Or wrong? I just want to know that I'm doing the best I can, especially as we are getting closer and closer to the coming of the false messiah. I ask for God's help but I also seem to be really good at messing things up so..  If anybody reads this and can lead me to a good scripture it would be much appreciated, thanx