Comments - Abraham and Isaac (lamb) - Friends N Christ2024-03-28T21:55:00Zhttps://friendsnchrist.ning.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=2993852%3ABlogPost%3A9462&xn_auth=no “ROMANS 11:17 -18 IN A CLOSE…tag:friendsnchrist.ning.com,2018-12-08:2993852:Comment:775012018-12-08T01:49:48.775ZWilliam H.https://friendsnchrist.ning.com/profile/Labrock
<p> “ROMANS 11:17 -18 IN A CLOSER LOOK</p>
<p>If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot ( Gentiles ) have been grafted in among the others ( branches of Israel that were broken off ) and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root ( Israel ) do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.<br></br>.................................<br></br>What branches that…</p>
<p> “ROMANS 11:17 -18 IN A CLOSER LOOK</p>
<p>If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot ( Gentiles ) have been grafted in among the others ( branches of Israel that were broken off ) and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root ( Israel ) do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.<br/>.................................<br/>What branches that were broken off Paul meant?<br/>Answer: The majority of tribes in Israel.They were almost all gone from the face of earth but God not totally destroyed them all ( Amos 9:8).In fact,Jerusalem wondered if where her children ( chosen who are like Isaac already ) come from,for She knows that they are all gone ( scattered and majority died by swords,famine,sickness etc ) .</p>
<p>Proof: Isaiah 49:21 Then you ( Jerusalem ) will say in your heart,<br/>‘Who bore me these?( her children who are like Isaac from nations ) <br/>I was bereaved and barren;<br/>I was exiled and rejected.<br/>Who brought these ( her children ) up?<br/>I was left all alone,<br/>but these ( her children ) —where have they ( her children who are like Isaac )come from?"</p>
<p>Not let us make clear if who are these children mentioned by Jerusalem ( who once become in bondage but now she is free ) .Her children are those who are like Isaac already,free from bondage of sin ) .<br/>Let us read from Paul : Galatians 4:28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise.</p>
<p>And the mother of these like Isaac according to Paul:Galatians 4:26-</p>
<p>But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and SHE IS OUR MOTHER For it is written:<br/>“Be glad, barren woman,<br/>you who never bore a child;<br/>shout for joy and cry aloud,<br/>you who were never in labor;<br/>because more are the children of the desolate woman<br/>than of her who has a husband.”</p>
<p>NOW JERUSALEM THE MOTHER OF THOSE WHO ARE LIKE ISAAC WONDERED IF WHERE HER CHILDREN COME FROM,FOR SHE KNOWS THAT THEY ARE ALL GONE ( but God not totally destroyed them all ) .BUT HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT HER CHILDREN WIL COME FROM EAST,WEST,NORTH AND SOUTH WHEN THEY WERE ALL GONE?</p>
<p>Read about the children of Jerusalem if where they come from: <br/>Isaiah 49:11-12 I ( God ) will turn all my mountains into roads,<br/>and my highways will be raised up.<br/>See, they ( Children of Jerusalem who are like Isaac ) will come from afar —<br/>some from the north, some from the west,<br/>some from the region of Aswan.”</p>
<p>..“ - Bro Jun (fb)</p> Muslims assert a claim that A…tag:friendsnchrist.ning.com,2017-07-13:2993852:Comment:715722017-07-13T00:38:52.918ZHis_Willhttps://friendsnchrist.ning.com/profile/Brock
<p>Muslims assert a claim that Abraham came to mecca and helped Ishmael build the kabba. They attempt to use the term baca in the bible to support this :D. The bible does mention "B<span>aca" (Ps.84:6) -"Who passing through the valley of Baca (of weeping) make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools" The term is Hebrew #1056! -From H1058; weeping; Baca, a valley in *"Palestine": - Baca..... You also have bochim (the plural) Judges 2:1,*5 And they called the name of that place Bochim (#1066):…</span></p>
<p>Muslims assert a claim that Abraham came to mecca and helped Ishmael build the kabba. They attempt to use the term baca in the bible to support this :D. The bible does mention "B<span>aca" (Ps.84:6) -"Who passing through the valley of Baca (of weeping) make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools" The term is Hebrew #1056! -From H1058; weeping; Baca, a valley in *"Palestine": - Baca..... You also have bochim (the plural) Judges 2:1,*5 And they called the name of that place Bochim (#1066): and they sacrificed there unto the Lord #1066- Plural active participle of H1058; (with the article) the weepers; Bokim, a place in Palestine: - Bochim.... The common root #1058 - A primitive root; to weep; generally to bemoan: - X at all, bewail, complain, make lamentation, X more, mourn, X sore, X with tears, weep.</span><br/><span>..... No reason to suggest bacca is mecca!</span></p> Abraham received the *mark…tag:friendsnchrist.ning.com,2016-06-15:2993852:Comment:673952016-06-15T06:36:38.123ZWilliam H.https://friendsnchrist.ning.com/profile/Labrock
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<p>Abraham received the *mark of the covenant (phy circumcision) After entering into the covenant with HaShem. This phy seed was to carry this phy. mark as by the letter of the law. The people of the nations are required to receive circumcision of the heart but not biblically required to be physically circumcised. Eze.44 is not relative to requirements of salvation upon…</p>
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<p>Abraham received the *mark of the covenant (phy circumcision) After entering into the covenant with HaShem. This phy seed was to carry this phy. mark as by the letter of the law. The people of the nations are required to receive circumcision of the heart but not biblically required to be physically circumcised. Eze.44 is not relative to requirements of salvation upon the nations rather it gives standards that were to be met before one could approach the temple mount. Flesh doesnt inherite the kingdom regardless if its missing a foreskin. Acts 15 covers the subject at the mouth of apostles of Christ as well as <span>Gal.2:1-3; 5:1-11; 6:11-16. 1 Cor.7:17-20, Col.2:11-12, Phil.3:3. The knowledgeable physical seed of Abraham is commanded to observe these things throughout their generations and carry the letter of the law forward. (Neither the "religions" of Judaism or Christianity require people of the nations in covenant with G-d (Noahides/ Christians) to be phy. circumcised. However many health benefits are associated with phy circumcision and places like the usa is general medical practice to be circumcised following birth which means there are alot of people having it done regardless of their religion (and not on the 8th day btw). </span></p> Tanakh (OT according to Hebre…tag:friendsnchrist.ning.com,2014-04-12:2993852:Comment:566502014-04-12T15:08:45.557ZHis_Willhttps://friendsnchrist.ning.com/profile/Brock
<p>Tanakh (OT according to Hebrew text)</p>
<p><span class="co_VerseText"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Gen.22:2</span></strong> And He said, "Please <strong>take your son</strong>, your only one, whom you love, yea, <strong>Isaac</strong>, and go away to the land of Moriah and <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">bring him up there for a burnt offering</span></strong> on one of the mountains, of which I will tell you."</span></p>
<p> (<em>Rashi- …</em></p>
<p>Tanakh (OT according to Hebrew text)</p>
<p><span class="co_VerseText"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Gen.22:2</span></strong> And He said, "Please <strong>take your son</strong>, your only one, whom you love, yea, <strong>Isaac</strong>, and go away to the land of Moriah and <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">bring him up there for a burnt offering</span></strong> on one of the mountains, of which I will tell you."</span></p>
<p> (<em>Rashi- <span class="co_RashiTitle">"bring him up"</span>: <span style="text-decoration: underline;">He did not say to him, “Slaughter him,”</span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">because</span> the Holy One, blessed be <span style="text-decoration: underline;">He, did not wish him to slaughter him</span> but to bring him up to the mountain, to prepare him for <span style="text-decoration: underline;">a burnt offering</span>, and as soon as he brought him up [to the mountain], He said to him, “<strong>Take him down</strong>.” - [from Gen. Rabbah 56:8]</em>)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Gen.22:2</strong></span> (<span style="text-decoration: underline;">kjv</span>/ Modern English translation:) And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">offer</span></strong> him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.</p>
<p>Offer-alah</p>
<p dir="ltr">A primitive root; to <i>ascend</i>, intransitively (<i>be</i> <i>high</i>) or active (<i>mount</i>); used in a great variety of senses, primary and secondary, literally and figuratively: - arise (up). (cause to) <span style="text-decoration: underline;">ascend up</span>, at once, break [the day] (up), <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>bring (up)</strong></span>, (cause to) burn, carry up, cast up, + shew, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">climb (up)</span>, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">(cause to, make to) come (up)</span>, cut off, dawn, depart, exalt, excel, fall, fetch up, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">get up</span>, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">(make to) go (away, up)</span>, grow (over), increase, lay, leap, levy, lift (self) up, light, [make] up, X mention, mount up, offer, make to pay, + perfect, prefer, put (on), raise, recover, restore, (make to) rise (up), scale, set (up), shoot forth (up), (begin to) spring (up), stir up, take away (up), work.</p>
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<p><em>Abraham received revelations through visions ("Num.12"), as well as with the Angel of the Lord. I believe the act of taking Isaac up the mount <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>and</strong></span> making a burnt offering unto The LORD was literally faith in action and not a dream. </em></p>
<p><em>In scripture <span style="text-decoration: underline;">I don't see G-D literally telling Abraham to Kill/slay Isaac in any way</span> (however that could be suggestive). Its an <strong> assumption</strong> (interpretation) in that he did tell Abraham to take Isaac up the mount and make a burnt offering (which would include death of such an offering) unto The LORD. (Which is what took place fulfilling the deed)</em></p>
<p><em>Gen.22:2 (<strong>kjv</strong>) And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and "<strong>offer (alah)</strong><strong> </strong>him" there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. The "him" isnt in the Hebrew texts here.</em></p>
<p><em>The <strong>Tanakh</strong> reads: Gen.22:2 "And He said, "Please take your son, your only one, whom you love, yea, Isaac, and go away to the land of Moriah and<strong>bring him up there for a burnt offering</strong> on one of the mountains, of which I will tell you."</em></p>
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<p><em>The way it was worded in The Word allowed for Abraham to ascend the mountain and make a burnt offering. The faith of Abraham was amazing throughout the story!</em></p>
<p><em><strong>1)</strong> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Before Abraham ever even ascended the mount he told those there that both he and his son (Isaac) were going up the mount and both he and his son were coming back down. This didnt allow for Isaac to be made a sacrifice</span>. Gen:22:5 <br/>And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and <strong>I and the lad will go yonder</strong> and worship(make a burnt offering) , <strong>and</strong> <strong>come again to you</strong>.</em></p>
<p><em>Abraham did this again ... </em></p>
<p><em><strong>2)</strong> as he ascended the mount! <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Isaac asked where is the sacrifice. Abraham didnt say Your IT Son, No instead out of faith he again spoke in a way that allowed for Isaac to not be made the sacrifice. </span></em></p>
<p><em>Gen.22:8</em></p>
<p><em>And Abraham said, My son, <b><u>God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering</u></b> : so they went both of them together. (Jn.1:29,36).</em></p>
<p><em>(...(xtra) The story line ("a certain midrash reported by Thomas Mann") posted in the original post (o.p) - "Elohim would identify Himself thus: I am Molech, bull-king of the baalites and command you..." This doesnt sound like the shem of HaShem. Its very deceptive and is a lie. I can't believe this is anything more than words of man (and we see no clue of this in the written Torah). This source ""Joseph and his Brothers" was published in "1943" and under the genre of "fiction". I agree G-D is Not "Molech bull-king of the baalites" but i don't think we need this modern source to know this! Also do we serve a G-D that would identify himself as something he isnt<strong>?</strong> Would he do anything that even for a moment would encourage us to follow after an idol<strong>?</strong> Does He make a command that he later dares us to follow then make that prior command out to be a joke<strong>?</strong> I think not. Ben Masada what do you think of this story line you presented to us<strong>?</strong> Do You take it seriously<strong>?</strong> To each his own, Just interested.)</em></p>
<p>Isaac was the raised up son of Abraham!</p> Zec.12:10 And I will pour up…tag:friendsnchrist.ning.com,2011-08-24:2993852:Comment:283782011-08-24T04:53:28.600ZWilliam H.https://friendsnchrist.ning.com/profile/Labrock
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<p><font face="Times New Roman"><font face="Times New Roman">Zec.12:10 And I will pour upon <span style="text-decoration: underline;">the house of David</span>, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">they shall…</span></font></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman"><font face="Times New Roman">Zec.12:10 And I will pour upon <span style="text-decoration: underline;">the house of David</span>, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son</span>, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (*1 Cor.5:6,7,8)</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman"><font face="Times New Roman">Jn. 3:16 For <span style="text-decoration: underline;">God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son</span>, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(Heb.2:14)</font></font></p>
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