Matt 24:36-44

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Lk.17:32-37 (as in days on Noah vs.26-27 and days of Sodom/Lot vs 28-29)

Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Feel free to discuss. A few points of interest to discuss could be:

 

* Who is taken?

"taken" Greek # 3880 to receive near, that is, associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation); by analogy to assume an office; figuratively to learn: - receive, take (unto, with).

* Who is left?

("left" Greek # 863

(to send; an intensive form of to send forth, in various applications: - cry, forgive, forsake, lay aside, leave, let (alone, be, go, have), omit, put (send) away, remit, suffer, yield up.)

* Who is the Thief?

(may want to consider 1 Thess 5:2-4/ 2 Pet.3:10)

* Which one is Blessed? (the one "taken" or the one "left")

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Job.38:13   That it might take hold of the "ends" of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? / Job38/....... .38: As for the "ends"/"corners" (*Job.38:13) of the earth.. Understanding of Hebrew idoms and Jewish symbology acknow...ledges that corners represent completeness and Torah which is why you put tzitzits on the corners of the garment (vs.14). Its related to Foundations (vs.4), The foundation being Torah (thats what our fruits should reflect). The wicked shall be seperated from the foundation (the Rock)of creation (Job.38:13). Biblically we relate the sphere of the world to the directions that round it! That is why you see mention of the four winds (Rev.7:1,3/ Mk.13:27/ Matt.24:31).
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Rev.7:1,3 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Matt.24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mk.13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven
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In the NT it says the four winds (north south east and west/Example Zech.2:6)/ The End/ are (is) held back until the elect are sealed So that it will the the wicked that are taken out of the way which is what Job.38:13 is pointing to in the Tanakh/ btw breath and wind relate to spirit and its the spirits that will be judged (sealed) so if you understand you will see how all this relatesSee More
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Is.40:22* "It is he that sitteth upon the circle (Hebrew#2329- 'Chug') of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"...... The Word used here does NOT mean flat at all rather it (chug) means: Circuit, vault i.e. as far as one can see around or above (ROUND/ Sphere)/ (aslo see Job.22:14/ Pro.8:27)..... Only in modern science has man (Nasa) been able to physically document that the universe is expanding however we can see mention of it here as well as mention that the earth is round which history claims that many once thought it was flat. Science (man) continues to play catch up with the Word. (science being mans best attempt to physically documents the ways of Physical creation.) Anyone interested in truth questions anything (weather it be in relation to science or Faith). The Word even says Study to show thyself approved and NOT to trust in man or lean unto thy own understanding. The Word goes on to say that Faith itself requires "EVIDENCE". Heb.11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Carnal knowledge simpley doesnt compare to Spiritual understanding. we are told least ye are born again (spiritual eyes and ears) you can not see (comprehend) the kingdom (SPIRITUAL truths) / "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." --Albert Einstein// Proverbs.9:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding"
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Zech.14:5 (day of the LORD vs.1) "And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" (Matt.24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains) ... - to "Azal": To the height of the mountaintops that are from either side. So did Menahem classify this (Machbereth p. 32), with (Isa. 41:9) “and from its nobles I called you.” Its meaning is an expression of height. -Rashi / Is.41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away./ Bullinger- (Zech.14:5 "the mountatins"= My Mountains. So called because of the physicalchange which HE will yet bring about, in the twonew mounts formed out of One. Azal- a new place, yet to have this name, at one extemity of the valley. Azal (atsel)- From H680; noble; Atsel, the name of an Israelite, and of a place in Palestine: - Azal, Azel. From atsal- A primitive root; properly to join; used only as a denominative from H681; to *separate; hence to *select, refuse, contract: - *keep, *reserve, straiten, *take. (Matt.24:36-44)

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Why is it spelt "LORD" with UPPERCASE letters, what does that indicate to you ?

It tells us it is the name of the LORD.

The Jews would not pronounce the name Jehovah out of reverent fear of violating the law by taking Gods name in vain, so when they came upon the name in HEBREW Scriptures (which are not for English speaking people today) JHVH (English transliteration of the Hebrew into English letters) was written and spoke as LORD.  The AV translators followed the tradition of reverence and respect of the Hebrew text in using the English word LORD.

But there are a few times that LORD is not JHVH but YAHH.  Then there is a term where GOD (all caps) is not JHVH but Y@hovih (pronounced Yahovee).  But yet there are other used of LORD and GOD interchangeable for the JHVH.

Up until the time of Moses and there Exodus no one knew this name.   Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

This tells us that this name was reserved for blue Blood Born Jews of Which many Christians are not.  LORD is satisfactory in addressing Father God, and Lord for our saviour Jesus Christ.  There is not spiritual benefit in it.  Jesus never called God JAH, Jehovah, Elohim he always called him LORD, Father and God.  How do we know that?  Because God who kept his promise to preserve his words to all generations forever and inspired the English AV translation for our current time which is the last days so that we have all his words just as He meant for us to have them.

If we say that there isn't a whole complete inspired Bible in our language in this generation then our God is not almighty to preserve his words or keep his promise to do so.   Which would leave us following a fake.

“The Jews would not pronounce the name Jehovah out of reverent fear of violating the law by taking Gods name in vain. . .”

 

But:

There is a thin line between reverent fear, superstition and denial.

 

“Up until the time of Moses and there Exodus no one knew this name.   Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

 

This tells us that this name was reserved for blue Blood Born Jews of Which many Christians are not.”

 

But:

  • Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not “blue Blood Born Jews”.
  • “J” was not in the Hebrew language and is only a late addition to the English language in which it was obviously acceptably pronounced differently before this.

 

“LORD is satisfactory in addressing Father God, and Lord for our saviour Jesus Christ.”

 

But:

  • When you say “Lord” and “LORD” how does the listener plainly know who you are referring to, especially if it is in the same sentence ?

 

Biblical verses to consider:

 

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descendedwho hath gathered the wind in his fistswho hath bound the waters in a garment

who hath established all the ends of the earth?

 

what is his name,

and what is his son’s name,

if thou canst tell?

 

Proverbs 30: 4

 

 

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them  in the name  of the  Father and of the  Son and of the  Holy Ghost:

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

Matthew 28: 19–20

 

 

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM  hath sent me unto you. ( AMEXIST - see Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance. )

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,  Yahweh  God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,

hath sent me unto you:    ( YahwehI Exist / Self Existent / Eternal:

    YHWH ═ Strong’s no. 3068 - from no. 1961 ═ AM )

 

this is       my name          for ever,

 

and this is    my memorial    unto all generations.

 

Exodus 3: 14–15

 

 

Thy name  O Yahweh,   endureth for ever;

 

and  thy memorial,   O Yahweh,

 

throughout all generations.

 

Psalms 135: 13

 

 

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name

 

Immanuel.

 

Isaiah 7: 14

 

( Emmanuel  ═  “ God with us.” )

 

 

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the

Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying,

Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:

for that which is conceived in her is of the  Holy Ghost And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name

Yahshua:            

 

    ( Yahshua  ═  “ Yahweh saves. ” )

 

for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name  Emmanuel,  which being interpreted is, God with us( see Isaiah 7:14 ! )

 

Matthew 1: 20–23

 

 

For

I am

Yahweh

I change not

therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

 

Malachi 3: 6

 

 

I will declare  thy name  unto my brethren:

 

in the midst of the congregation

 

will I praise thee.

 

Ye that fear  Yahwehpraise him;

all ye  the seed of Jacob,

glorify himand fear him,

all ye  the seed of Israel.

 

Psalms 22: 22-23

 

 

ListenO islesunto me;

and hearken, ye peoplefrom far;

Yahweh  hath called me from the womb;

from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of

 

my name.

 

And he hath made my mouth like a  sharp sword

in the shadow of his hand hath he  hid me

and made me a  polished shaft;  

in  his quiver  hath he  hid me;

 

Isaiah 49: 1–2

 

 

A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master:

if then I be a father, where is mine honour?

and if I be a master,

where is my fear?  

saith  Yahweh  of hosts  

unto you, O priests, that despise

 

my name.  

 

And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

 

Malachi 1: 6

 

 

And now

O ye priests,

this commandment is for you.

 

If ye will  not  hear,

and if ye will  not  lay it to heart,

to give glory unto

 

my name,

 

saith       YAHWEH      of hosts,

 

I will even send a curse upon you,

and I will curse your blessings:

yea, I have cursed them already,

because ye do not lay it to heart.

 

Malachi 2: 1–2

 

 

. . . Do not I fill heaven and earth?

 

saith  Yahweh.

 

I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.

How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

Which think to cause my people to  forget 

 

my name 

 

by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour,

 

as their fathers have forgotten my name for

 

Baal.

 

Jeremiah 23: 24–27

 

( BaalLord ! – see Hebrew in Bible concordances and The Concise Oxford Dictionary, 1940.  N.B. See Hosea 2:16–17 !! )

 

 

 

For

 

I am   Yahweh,

 

I change not;

 

 therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

 ( because He is keeping His word, despite Israel's failings ! )

 

Malachi 3: 1–6

 

 

Hear the word of

 

Yahweh,

 

  ye that tremble at his word;

 

Your brethren that hated you,

 

that  cast you out  for

 

my   name’s   sake,

 

said,

let the LORD be glorified:

 

but he shall appear

 

to   your   joy,

 

and   they   shall

be ashamed.

 

Isaiah 66: 5

 

 

( Extracted from: http://www.declarethedecree.com/marriage_of_the_lamb_chapter_9.doc

N.B. see also: http://www.declarethedecree.com/marriage_of_the_lamb_appendix_z_lin... )

 

You can suppose superstition but the Jews were much more reverent than superstitions come the time of Jesus.

Abram is the one God called out to become the Jewish nation.  He starts the line and anyone from him and Sarah is of that line.  so Issacc and Jacob and his 12 sons are the Blueblood Jews 

Lord or LORD how do they know.  We teach it so they know.  There are some OT scriptures that use LORD but when you compare it to the NT Gospel books you find it is speaking of Jesus.  Some times when the Holy Ghost inspires the use of an OT scripture you find he will change LORD to Lord as well.  this is not to confuse but to show that they are one, three but one 1John5:7AV.

and by the way  Y@howshuwa`,  yeh-ho-shoo'-ah means Jehovah SAVED.  But like I said we are not Hebrews and we do not speak Hebrew and there is no complete inerrant Hebrew Bible today as the English AV.  So the Name above all names will be Jesus.

Don't trust Strong's we have found lots of errors in his teaching and understanding as well.  He also used classical Greek meaning for Koine Greek words.  He thought it ok to do so and in the end made a mess out of things.  If you want to know and understand any word it the AV you just look up all the words and study them out in context and you will find that the AV Bible defines all the words for you.

You see once you go outside the Bible you tell God he was to weak to preserve his word and keep his promise to preserve you and I a Bible in our language today.

You are ignoring the fact that Jacob had 12 sons which became the Twelve Tribes of Israel, with the tribe of Judah being only one of the Twelve Tribes and named after only one of Jacobs sons.

 

Around the time just before Christ many Canaanites/Edomites were forced to convert and become so called ‘Jews’ who today make up “the controversy of Zion” (Isaiah 34:8) in “the synagogue of Satan” (Revelation 2:9; 3:9). They are also the ones today, like you, who say that ‘Jews’ make up all of Jacob/Israel, contrary to the truth of the Bible.

 

See http://www.declarethedecree.com/marriage_of_the_lamb_preface_and_in...

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"Don't trust Strong's we have found lots of errors in his teaching and understanding as well.  He also used classical Greek meaning for Koine Greek words.  He thought it ok to do so and in the end made a mess out of things.  If you want to know and understand any word it the AV you just look up all the words and study them out in context and you will find that the AV Bible defines all the words for you"

"You see once you go outside the Bible you tell God he was to weak to preserve his word and keep his promise to pres"

DON'T TRUST STRONG'S ?

STRONG'S is widely accepted and you state "We have found

lot's of errors?

Who are WE ? 

I discern that "YOU" and or "WE" have a lot to learn.

You indiscriminately condem anything that "YOU" don't

agree with. Point in fact, "scholar" you stated in one of

you're reply's that the meaning is "teacher" and left out

the rest of the meaning, to try and get you're point

across, when in fact the full meaning is as follows:

 schol·ar  (sklr)

n.
1.
a. A learned person.
b. A specialist in a given branch of knowledge: a classical scholar.
2. One who attends school or studies with a teacher; a student.
3. A student who holds or has held a particular scholarship.
If you would do this with such a small word meaning
leaving out all but what you wanted, what else would
you leave out or twist to make you're invalid point ?
I discern you are not giving information that can be trusted
or in the best interest of the people on this site.

Thank you for you're writing, I am not familiar with this 

paticular subject matter.

I was taught by Pastor Murray that the spelling of our GOD

is YHVH.

I have not questioned his teaching in this matter nor would

I have the knowledge to do so.

I have found his teaching very insightful and spot on, in

my opinion he is a fine scholar   schol·ar  (sklr)

n.
1.
a. A learned person.
b. A specialist in a given branch of knowledge: a classical scholar.
2. One who attends school or studies with a teacher; a student.
3. A student who holds or has held a particular scholarship.
Again thank you for you're input.
Sincerely,
JOSEPH

we are those who are also scholars as I as well as life long students of the bible.

you are very clear on who teaches you.

While YHWH is the usual transliteration of the tetragrammaton in English academic studies, the alternatives YHVH

Joseph says, "Newma (phonetically spelled) check it out in the strongs concordance, If I recall it is in the Greek language"

Well then this shows you don't believe that God kept his word to preserve all his words to every generation in Ps 12:6,7.  This shows that you believe that the Bible has errors in the way it was translated and therefore you or another must go to an underlying Greek (copy not an original) text to change the English words.

This would be good except that the underlying Greek word here in 1Thess 4 is not Neuma it is the "aer"  Our English word is a transliteration not a translation of the Greek.

I have in my hand a book that contains all the words of God preserved for my generation in English.  He guided, led and inspired the English AV so that ALL His words were preserved so that His promise that his word will be preserved to all generations would be kept. 

Those who need to go to Greek to change the words of God to fit their pet doctrine and practices are generally cults like JW's, Mormon's, Roman Catholic's and others.  Will we associate ourselves with groups like these by following their practices (heresies).

you are correct the Nuema means breath but in 1 Thess 4 the word Nuema is not in the underlying text therefore to add to the word of God is to violate the three warnings not to take or add to His word.

Hey, Let me Think, Was The Bible Written In English ?

NO !   GREEK, HEBREW,AND WHAT ELSE ??????? CHETTE,?   SURE WASN'T ENGLISH/

Appears you will continue to interpret the word as you see fit.  I choose not to listen to you change the meaning of the word any longer.  If you believe you will fly away in you're rapture theory, and that parts of Gods word are PRIVATE and open only to Chette's interpretation, you

are dangerously wrong.  

  P.S.  If you believe Pastor Murray, of the Sherperd's Chapel is a cult, wrong again.

Good luck in your studies, I strongly urge you to tune into the Shepherd's for some meat

instead of milk.

There you go again saying something about flying away in a Rapture.  show me a single verse that says that?

Unless you are interpreting caught away and the gathering together into the air as flying?  I know I never have.  

I never said shepherd's chapel was a cult.  Do you always put words in people mouths.

When you find a verifiable true, inerrant, whole, and complete in its entirety original Greek or Hebrew Bible be sure to send it to me.  the key there is verified by the scholars that the book is a true original not a copy.

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