Who will be "left"/ "taken"?

[William H.]

Matt 24:36-44

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Lk.17:32-37 (as in days on Noah vs.26-27 and days of Sodom/Lot vs 28-29)

Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Feel free to discuss. A few points of interest to discuss could be:

 

* Who is taken?

"taken" Greek # 3880 to receive near, that is, associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation); by analogy to assume an office; figuratively to learn: - receive, take (unto, with).

* Who is left?

("left" Greek # 863

(to send; an intensive form of to send forth, in various applications: - cry, forgive, forsake, lay aside, leave, let (alone, be, go, have), omit, put (send) away, remit, suffer, yield up.)

* Who is the Thief?

(may want to consider 1 Thess 5:2-4/ 2 Pet.3:10)

* Which one is Blessed? (the one "taken" or the one "left")

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Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matt.13:30

Study notes:

Job.38:13   That it might take hold of the "ends" of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? / Job38/....... .38: As for the "ends"/"corners" (*Job.38:13) of the earth.. Understanding of Hebrew idoms and Jewish symbology acknow...ledges that corners represent completeness and Torah which is why you put tzitzits on the corners of the garment (vs.14). Its related to Foundations (vs.4), The foundation being Torah (thats what our fruits should reflect). The wicked shall be seperated from the foundation (the Rock)of creation (Job.38:13). Biblically we relate the sphere of the world to the directions that round it! That is why you see mention of the four winds (Rev.7:1,3/ Mk.13:27/ Matt.24:31).
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Rev.7:1,3 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Matt.24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mk.13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven
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In the NT it says the four winds (north south east and west/Example Zech.2:6)/ The End/ are (is) held back until the elect are sealed So that it will the the wicked that are taken out of the way which is what Job.38:13 is pointing to in the Tanakh/ btw breath and wind relate to spirit and its the spirits that will be judged (sealed) so if you understand you will see how all this relatesSee More

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Is.40:22* "It is he that sitteth upon the circle (Hebrew#2329- 'Chug') of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"...... The Word used here does NOT mean flat at all rather it (chug) means: Circuit, vault i.e. as far as one can see around or above (ROUND/ Sphere)/ (aslo see Job.22:14/ Pro.8:27)..... Only in modern science has man (Nasa) been able to physically document that the universe is expanding however we can see mention of it here as well as mention that the earth is round which history claims that many once thought it was flat. Science (man) continues to play catch up with the Word. (science being mans best attempt to physically documents the ways of Physical creation.) Anyone interested in truth questions anything (weather it be in relation to science or Faith). The Word even says Study to show thyself approved and NOT to trust in man or lean unto thy own understanding. The Word goes on to say that Faith itself requires "EVIDENCE". Heb.11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Carnal knowledge simpley doesnt compare to Spiritual understanding. we are told least ye are born again (spiritual eyes and ears) you can not see (comprehend) the kingdom (SPIRITUAL truths) / "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." --Albert Einstein// Proverbs.9:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding"

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Zech.14:5 (day of the LORD vs.1) "And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" (Matt.24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains) ... - to "Azal": To the height of the mountaintops that are from either side. So did Menahem classify this (Machbereth p. 32), with (Isa. 41:9) “and from its nobles I called you.” Its meaning is an expression of height. -Rashi / Is.41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away./ Bullinger- (Zech.14:5 "the mountatins"= My Mountains. So called because of the physicalchange which HE will yet bring about, in the twonew mounts formed out of One. Azal- a new place, yet to have this name, at one extemity of the valley. Azal (atsel)- From H680; noble; Atsel, the name of an Israelite, and of a place in Palestine: - Azal, Azel. From atsal- A primitive root; properly to join; used only as a denominative from H681; to *separate; hence to *select, refuse, contract: - *keep, *reserve, straiten, *take. (Matt.24:36-44)

[Priscilla]

I LOVE this chapter. Probably one of my favorite.  It spells it all out for us right here in this one chapter I mean right down to the 'T' how it's all gonna come down.

 

It sure will be just like it was in the days of Noah.  And we all know what happened there.  The same thing that happened in the Garden of Eden. (hanky panky going on) Satan and his minions all over the place like flys.

 

²⁰ But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

 

We dont harvest the fields in the winter time....nor on the 'day of resting'....meaning, "dont be harvested out of season".

 

Those untimely figs that ripened too quickly when the heat came upon them....will fall prematurely right into the lap of the scoundrel.  Harvested out of season. Caught committing spiritual adultery upon the return of the TRUE King of Kings and Lord of lords, return thinking that he is already here.  They did not wait.  They took off.

 

One was taken (by the instead of christ) and one was left.(they waited) The elect will wait and then be promoted to the Sons of Zadok. (Ez. 44) Kings & Queens (priests) in the Kingdom of God. Blessed!!! :)

[His_Will]

I agree those harvested out of season are following antichrist.

 

The Great Tribulation (apostacy) of the antichrist is differ and prior to the coming judgement of God (1st and 2nd resurrections/ 1st& 2nd death). To those not in covenant at his coming he shall come to them as a thief in the night with Wrath. To his people in covenant he shall not bring wrath upon. The seperation of the tares and wheat happen at hravest (when All are changed).

2 THess.1:7-8 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: (Note tribulation mentioned in vs 6)

(Lk.21:34-36 (note trib mentioned in prior verses)/ Rom.8:35-39/ Jn.17:14-19/(Lk.12:4-5) 

1 Thess.5:2-6/ Rev.22:7/ 2 Pet.3:10

[JOSEPH]

why is it that so many Christians believe in the RAPTURE ? When it so plain that to be taken

is to be harvested out of season.

[08oqo27awwutv]

I am not one to promote that one needs to go to the Greek to change the English to make a clearer explanation.  I take a literal approach.

In my humble opinion after many years of study on the verse in Matt 24 I believe this is the end of the tribulation period and those that are taken are taken to judgement by the sharp sickle because it lines up pretty well with Revelation 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

It lines up well because of the context of Matthew 24 as most of what is revealed there is also in the tribulation period and more directly after the man of sin is revealed then later at very near the end of that period.

Those that are taken are them to which the sharp sickle has reaped from the earth to be cast into the winepress of Gods wrath and their blood shall be as deep as the horses bridle.  All the verse the OP shared if kept in context and chronological order, place those verse in the tribulation Period.

Who is taken and who is left are done so not by their own choices but by Gods will because the earth is ripe for harvest of the wicked and evil.  They are not saved individuals but lost wicked people on the earth prior to the Lords return to set up his kingdom.

MHO

[JOSEPH]

1. WHO IS TAKEN ?  ANSWER: Those who worship the anti Christ.

2. WHO IS THE THIEF ? "  "  SATAN 

3. WHO IS BLESSED ?  "   "  THE ONE LEFT..  He or she know the truth and will not bow a knee to Satan.

                                      The elect through the HOLLY SPIRIT will speak against THE ANTI CHRIST

                                      they are not to give thought or premeditate  to what they say , as the                                                   .                                     wholly spirit will be doing the speaking.

  

I hope that i have answered correctly , think i have , however, I am learning every day

and as a student I am always open to advice, so by all means let me know what you think.

Sincerely,

JOSEPH

                                      

[08oqo27awwutv]

I have learned to follow the example of the Holy Ghost given in 1Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. By allowing the Holy Ghost to teach the things Jesus taught Matt 24 and comparing it with that which was revealed to John Rev 14 seeing the context of both sets of scriptures is Israel's tribulation (which will include the the nations). 

We have a long way to stretch God's word to say they are save and unsaved that are being taken or left.  The context does not leave us that luxury of that interpretation because it does not teach that directly.

I have heard Baptist teach it as being the saved are taken and the unsaved are left for generations but the context does not say that or infer that at all.  But upon deep and prayerful study to rightly divide I am sure that God will reveal even more.

Like I have learned from the Holy Ghost those that are in the field, grinding or in a bed are just men alive at that time near the end of the tribulation some will be sickled out and other left.  I would say neither those left or taken are saved.  the are not just Jews or Gentiles they are both.

There are a few things one learns about the KJV text 1) it has it own built in dictionary and will define any word by its context. 2) it will define any doctrine by the context.  and 3) it has a divine built in cross reference system that only God could have put into it by preservation and inspiration.

God bless your endeavor of Study.

[Michael John]

 

See “Humble Inherit the Earth” here:

http://www.declarethedecree.com/marriage_of_the_lamb_appendix_i_lin...

 

See “The Day Cometh” here:

http://www.declarethedecree.com/marriage_of_the_lamb_appendix_j_lin...

[JOSEPH]

"We have a long way to stretch God's word to say they are save and unsaved that are being taken or left.  The context does not leave us that luxury of that interpretation because it does not teach "

I believe this text refers to the generation of the fig tree, those who worship the 

anti Christ, believing him to be the true Christ will be deceived and taken in by the false one

to wit, the "rapture"  or the fly away doctrine.  He the false one stating, "I'm here to rapture you all away" all you have to do is worship me.

The rapture is taught in many churches, and the people attending believe this false

doctrine to be true.

[08oqo27awwutv]

1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Funny that the The Holy Bible, the AV Text teaches that "we", born of the Spirit Christians and alive, will be gathered together with those Christians whose bodies were in the grave, And that the Bible says that we will be caught UP together in the clouds (where are clouds) and to meet the Lord in the AIR.

However I don't see the word Rapture anywhere in the text.

but UP, CLOUDS and AIR sure do stand out in something Paul is teaching as a Biblical truth. 

I wonder what it all means then if it doesn't mean what it says?

[JOSEPH]

So you think GOD is a GOD of the dead or the living?

AIR means what ? I have told you this before , BREATH OF LIFE.

READ THE PARABLE OF THE FIG TREE, AS CHRIST STATED.

Satan comes at the 6th trump

Jesus comes at the 7th

6 comes before seven any child can count to seven.

[08oqo27awwutv]

Brother lets look again at WHAT SAYETH THE SCRIPTURES, not my opinion or yours just what the plain text says

1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Looking clearly at the scriptures we see the dead in Christ are said to be asleep.  No where in this text does it say they are dead spiritually and that is not the issue here.  If you or anyone else make the DEAD IN CHRIST to be dead spiritually to say God is not the God of the DEAD that is a Private interpretation that is not even in the text.  None of us are dead spiritually in Christ and the expression here is concerning the body of the believer not the spiritual condition.

Air here does not mean breath of life it is clear by the context AIR is the SKY. Let's take the verse and word it with your interpretation of air and see how it reads.  1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the breath of life: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Do you see how silly that sounds, it is not correct exegesis, wording or grammar for it to read that way, and to interpret it so is just pure ignoring of the construction of the English language and the words of God as they are preserved for us in the AV text.  The verse leaves no room for the catching up and the meeting of the Lord in the Air to be anything other than that.  To make it the breath of life is just ridiculous.

There is not connection of the parable of the Fig Tree with this teaching of Paul.  Wrongly joining scriptures instead of rightly dividing them leads to many false teachings.  We need to beware of such pre-texting of scripture to form a doctrine.

As far as 6th trumps, 7th trumps that is still all private interpretation that the trump here is one of the Trumps of the book of Revelation.  Again it is from wrongly joining scriptures instead of Rightly dividing them as we are commanded.

[JOSEPH]

Wrong:  air is the breath of life

Read the parable of the fig tree:

 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Have you ever read the book of REVELATIONS,?  it makes it very clear

about the the  TRUMPS, YOU SHOULD READ IT.

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"There is not connection of the parable of the Fig Tree with this teaching of Paul.  Wrongly joining scriptures instead of rightly dividing them leads to many false teachings.  We need to beware of such pre-texting of scripture to form a doctrine."

"As far as 6th trumps, 7th trumps that is still all private interpretation that the trump here is one of the Trumps of the book of Revelation.  Again it is from wrongly joining scriptures instead of Rightly dividing them as we are commanded."

I THINK YOU NEED TO READ WITH UNDERSTANDING  IF YOU REALLY

BELIEVE THE ABOVE. a CHILD CAN UNDERSTAND THE MEANING

OF THE TRUMPS.

IT IS NOT PRIVATE, WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THE WORD

AS BEING PRIVATE?

THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT PRIVATE IT IS SENT TO ALL TO READ

FREELY.

THE WORD IS SIMILAR TO A LETTER SENT TO HIS CHILDREN BY THE

FATHER FOR ALL TO SHARE.