Finding Harmony In The Word

Who will be "left"/ "taken"?

Matt 24:36-44

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Lk.17:32-37 (as in days on Noah vs.26-27 and days of Sodom/Lot vs 28-29)

Remember Lot's wife.Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Feel free to discuss. A few points of interest to discuss could be:

* Who is taken?

"taken" Greek # 3880 to receive near, that is, associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation); by analogy to assume an office; figuratively to learn: - receive, take (unto, with).

* Who is left?

("left" Greek # 863

(to send; an intensive form of to send forth, in various applications: - cry, forgive, forsake, lay aside, leave, let (alone, be, go, have), omit, put (send) away, remit, suffer, yield up.)

* Who is the Thief?

(may want to consider 1 Thess 5:2-4/ 2 Pet.3:10)

* Which one is Blessed? (the one "taken" or the one "left")

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Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matt.13:30

Study notes:

Job.38:13 That it might take hold of the "ends" of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? / Job38/....... .38: As for the "ends"/"corners" (*Job.38:13) of the earth.. Understanding of Hebrew idoms and Jewish symbology acknow...ledges that corners represent completeness and Torah which is why you put tzitzits on the corners of the garment (vs.14). Its related to Foundations (vs.4), The foundation being Torah (thats what our fruits should reflect). The wicked shall be seperated from the foundation (the Rock)of creation (Job.38:13). Biblically we relate the sphere of the world to the directions that round it! That is why you see mention of the four winds (Rev.7:1,3/ Mk.13:27/ Matt.24:31).
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Rev.7:1,3 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Matt.24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mk.13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven
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In the NT it says the four winds (north south east and west/Example Zech.2:6)/ The End/ are (is) held back until the elect are sealed So that it will the the wicked that are taken out of the way which is what Job.38:13 is pointing to in the Tanakh/ btw breath and wind relate to spirit and its the spirits that will be judged (sealed) so if you understand you will see how all this relatesSee More

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Is.40:22* "It is he that sitteth upon the circle (Hebrew#2329- 'Chug') of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"...... The Word used here does NOT mean flat at all rather it (chug) means: Circuit, vault i.e. as far as one can see around or above (ROUND/ Sphere)/ (aslo see Job.22:14/ Pro.8:27)..... Only in modern science has man (Nasa) been able to physically document that the universe is expanding however we can see mention of it here as well as mention that the earth is round which history claims that many once thought it was flat. Science (man) continues to play catch up with the Word. (science being mans best attempt to physically documents the ways of Physical creation.) Anyone interested in truth questions anything (weather it be in relation to science or Faith). The Word even says Study to show thyself approved and NOT to trust in man or lean unto thy own understanding. The Word goes on to say that Faith itself requires "EVIDENCE". Heb.11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Carnal knowledge simpley doesnt compare to Spiritual understanding. we are told least ye are born again (spiritual eyes and ears) you can not see (comprehend) the kingdom (SPIRITUAL truths) / "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." --Albert Einstein// Proverbs.9:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding"

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Zech.14:5 (day of the LORD vs.1) "And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" (Matt.24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains) ... - to "Azal": To the height of the mountaintops that are from either side. So did Menahem classify this (Machbereth p. 32), with (Isa. 41:9) “and from its nobles I called you.” Its meaning is an expression of height. -Rashi / Is.41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away./ Bullinger- (Zech.14:5 "the mountatins"= My Mountains. So called because of the physicalchange which HE will yet bring about, in the twonew mounts formed out of One. Azal- a new place, yet to have this name, at one extemity of the valley. Azal (atsel)- From H680; noble; Atsel, the name of an Israelite, and of a place in Palestine: - Azal, Azel. From atsal- A primitive root; properly to join; used only as a denominative from H681; to *separate; hence to *select, refuse, contract: - *keep, *reserve, straiten, *take. (Matt.24:36-44)

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Permalink Reply by 08oqo27awwutv on July 16, 2013 at 12:02pm

"Wrong: air is the breath of life"

You will be hard pressed to find one Bible verse to prove that AIR ever was used to mean Breath of Life.

Seeing you wont search the scriptures I will. The first use of 39 uses of the word AIR in the Bible is found in Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth The Law of first usage in the Bible means that the first use sets the president for the use throughout the word of God. Air is not a difficult word to search seeing it is only 39 usages. When someone teaches something it is up to us to check it by the word of God. And here we see the word Air means the sky most definitely Adam and Eve were not given dominion over the fowl of the Breath of Life.

All the verse using air in the Old Testament up until Acts 22:23 were used using the words Fowl or Birds of the air. then in Acts 22 we see this Acts 22:23 And as they cried out, and cast off their clothes, and threw dust into the air, Here we see the people who were listening to Paul threw dust in the air. No way could we say they threw dust in the Breath of Life.

Then in 1Cor 9 Paul talks about one who beateth the Air. Beateth the Breath of Life. No that wont work. then there is speak into the air concerning uninterpreted tongues.

Now this would be the Most disturbing one to me if we follow the logic of air being the breath of life. Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, could you imagine Satan being the prince and the power of the breath of Life.

Then there is the one of us meeting the Lord in the air. Then you have the last two uses of the word Air. Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 16:17 ¶ And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. Could you imagine the breath of Life being darkened by Smoke. or that the Vial of God's wrath being poured out into the Breath of Life.

In conclusion Joseph, you would be justified in such a far fetched view if there was one verse that supported the interpretation that Air was the breath of a life but there isn't even one. If you heard this from some other teacher, you failed to be a Berean who searched the scriptures to see if what was taught was true to the word of God. And you failed to follow the commandment to study to show yourself approved before you started posting this crazy notion that AIR equals the breath of life.

here we can see that your teaching of AIR and BREATH OF LIFE is a private interpretation because no where in scriptures does air ever mean that. Therefore it is a private interpretation.

Because you are wrong on this I will not attempt to even discuss any other of your statements except this one. Peter said this 2Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Essentially it says no Bible verse is of private interpretation and the reason you did not know where I got the idea that what you have taught and are teaching is of private interpretation is because you are not familiar with your Bible enough to know the terms and words of God as found in the Holy Bible.

Seeing God inspired that no scripture is of private interpretation means we can use the Bible to interpret the scrritures. Not one verse is divorced from the rest as you have (or possibly some one you heard) has done here.

my advice to you is 2 Tim 2:15

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Permalink Reply by JOSEPH on July 16, 2013 at 5:55pm

Newma (phonetically spelled) check it out in the strongs concordance, If I recall it is in the Greek language

Permalink Reply by Michael John on July 17, 2013 at 1:07am

( Some interesting extracts from:

http://www.declarethedecree.com/marriage_of_the_lamb_appendix_j_lin... )

Behold,

he shall come up

and fly as the

eagle,

and spread his wings over

Bozrah:

and

at that day

shall the heart of the mighty men of

Edom

be as the heart of a woman in her pangs.

Jeremiah 49: 22

( He will “ take ” all others who “ remaineth ” of Esau’s strong city

i.e. those still of mammon - after Esau is destroyed :

“ . . . come out of her, my people . . .”

individuals He .takes. will be ashes

under the soles of the feet

of those who are

“ left.”

“ Remember Lots wife . . .”,

Who was “ taken,” Lot, or his wife ? !

see Luke 17:20–37 Was Noah “taken” ?

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith Yahweh of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. ( N.B. N.B. see pages 13,62 & 63 !! )

But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun

of righteousness arise with healing in his wings;

and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

And ye shall tread down the wicked;

for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this,

saith Yahweh of hosts.

Malachi 4: 1–3

From the time that it goeth forth it shall

take you:

for morning by morning shall it

pass over,

by day and by night:

and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

( news, from east to west, of disappearances, leaving only ash behind – why: )

For the bed is shorter

than that a man can stretch himself on it:

and the covering narrower

than that he can wrap himself in it.

( while those “ treacherous dealers ” get richer and stronger ! )

For Yahweh shall rise up as in mount Perazim,

he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon,

that he may do his work,

his strange work;

and bring to pass his act,

his strange act.

Now therefore be ye not mockers,

lest your bands be made strong:

( when bound as a prisoner in the pit ! )

for I have heard from the

Sovereign of hosts

a consumption,

( consuming burning destruction )

even determined upon

the whole earth.

Isaiah 28: 19–22

And I beheld

when he had opened the sixth seal,

and, lo, there was a great earthquake;

and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair,

and the moon became as blood;

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,

even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs,

when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed

as a scroll when it is rolled together;

and every mountain and island

were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth,

and the great men, and the rich men,

and the chief captains, and the mighty men,

and every bondman, and every free man,

hid themselves in the dens

and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks,

Fall on us,

and hide us from the face

of him that sitteth on the throne,

and

from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come;

and who shall be able to stand ?

Revelations 6: 12–17

Remember Lot’s wife.

( was Lot or his wife taken ?!! )

Whosoever shall seek to save his life

( puts himself first )

shall lose it;

and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

( Unlike his wife, Lot willingly left everything. He looked forwards !

For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Luke 12:34 )

I tell you,

in that night

( from morning to morning - a 24 hour non-calendar day spanning two days, of darkest night ! When it begins from east to west : )

there shall be two in one bed;

the one shall be

taken,

and the other shall be left.

Two shall be grinding together;

the one shall be

taken,

and the other left.

Two shall be in the field;

the one shall be

taken,

and the other left.

And they answered and said unto him,

Where, Lord?

And he said unto them,

Wheresoever the body is,

( corpse ! )

thither will the eagles

( vultures ! )

be gathered together.

( to take them away ! )

Luke 17: 32–37

( i.e. it is going to happen to the spiritually careless.

everywhere ! )

Permalink Reply by JOSEPH on July 19, 2013 at 6:38pm

You have taken this one verse, "air" completely out of context.

You would have to have the knowledge to read the transcripts to get the full meaning.

I certainly don't have this knowledge, it is been broken down

by Pastor Murray who has the knowledge.

But you have used "air" in every use through out the bible to

mean "breath of life".

Do you see how silly you sound, when you can't read the transcripts in the original languages if this is the case.

If you want to make sport of Murray's teaching on this on subject

well, you will have to contact him.

I happen to believe his teachings over anything you have to say.

And I don't mean this in a negative regarding you're belief

that is you're right to discern

I just don't happen to agree with most of what you have to say.

However, I do take offense to your sniping my every post.

Permalink Reply by Don Rink on May 20, 2014 at 8:55am

Air means (spirit).

We will go

back to Our Heavenly Father in spiritual bodies

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Permalink Reply by JOSEPH on May 20, 2014 at 11:56am

I agree, at the 7th TRUMP upon the return of JESUS we will be in spiritual

bodies.\

But we must remember who returns first at the 6th TRUMP claiming

to be Jesus. The anti Christ Satan, who will deceive many.

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Permalink Reply by JOSEPH on July 13, 2013 at 2:32pm

Who is taken? The one who is deceived by Satan

Who is the Thief? Satan

Which one is Blessed? Those that are not deceived

and love the lord GOD

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Permalink Reply by Michael John on July 14, 2013 at 10:31am

( meek ═ humble )

Blessed are the meek:

for they shall inherit the earth.

Matthew 5: 5

But the meek

shall inherit the earth;

and shall delight themselves

in the abundance of peace.

Psalms 37: 11

The meek will he guide in judgment:

and the meek will he teach his way.

Psalms 25: 9

The meek

( humble ! )

shall eat and be satisfied:

they shall praise Yahweh that seek him:

your heart

shall live for ever.

Psalms 22: 26

And he said,

Therefore said I unto you,

that no man can come unto me,

except it were given unto him of my Father.

John 6: 65

For thus saith the high and lofty

One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy;

I dwell in the high and holy place,

with him also

that is of a

contrite and humble spirit,

to revive the spirit of the humble,

and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

Isaiah 57: 15

Thou,

even thou, art to be feared:

and who may stand in thy sight

when once thou art angry?

Thou didst cause judgment to be heard from heaven;

the earth feared, and was still,

When God arose to judgment,

( written for future survivors ! )

to save all the meek of the earth.

( in that great and terrible day ! )

Selah.

Psalms 76: 7–9

Again,

the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net,

that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

Which, when it was full, they drew to shore,

and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels,

but cast the bad away.

So shall it be at the end of the world:

the angels shall come forth,

and sever the wicked from among the just,
And shall cast them into the furnace of fire:

there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Yahshua

saith unto them,

Have ye understood

all these things?

They say unto him,

Yea, Lord.

Matthew 13: 47–51

For the upright shall dwell in the land,

and the perfect shall

remain in it.

But the wicked

shall be cut off from the earth,

and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.

Proverbs 2:21–22

The

way of

Yahweh

is strength to the

upright:

but destruction

shall be to the workers of iniquity.
The righteous shall never be removed:

but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.

The mouth of the just

bringeth forth wisdom:

but the froward tongue shall be cut out.
The lips of the righteous

know what is acceptable:

but the mouth of the wicked

speaketh frowardness.

Proverbs 10: 29–32

See “The Day Cometh” here:

http://www.declarethedecree.com/marriage_of_the_lamb_appendix_j_lin...

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Permalink Reply by JOSEPH on July 17, 2013 at 3:36pm

I believe the correct spelling is YHVH in the Hebrew, not Yahweh.

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Permalink Reply by 08oqo27awwutv on July 17, 2013 at 8:52pm

It doesn't matter what you personally believe. It matters what God has said in the Holy Bible preserved for us in English.

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Permalink Reply by Michael John on July 18, 2013 at 3:39am

Or is it YHWH ?

Yes, sticking strictly to the Tetragrammaton leaves the pronounciation up to the individual reader and avoids any controvocy. Out of curiousity and without getting into any protracted debate, how do you pronounce it ?