Will U Stand With Israel?

[William H.]

Will you stand with The Many Membered Body? What body? That of Moshiach? That of a secular order? 

Is there a “Spiritual Israel”? Who is a Prince of El? Who prevails with G-D? Inward Jews? Grafted in? 

Gal 3:6-7,24-29, Lk.3:8 ,Matt.3:9, Deut.30:6, *Rom.2:10-11,29, Rom.9:6-8, Rom.4:11-16, Col.3:10-11, Matt.12:50, Mk.3:35,

body under יהוה . Eph.2:19-22/Authority- (Jn.5:43;6:38,44/ Jn.8:36-40/ Matt.21:23-27;28:18-19/ Acts.2:36;3:22;10:36/ Eph.2:19-22/ Matt.18:18-20/...)

 The context of both phy. and Spiritual Israel is vital to understanding the Word in truth and proper order and authority. Not all that are physically of Jacob are in covenant and not everyone in covenant are physical descendants of Jacob. 

What or who is the “church”?

Ekklesia

 Ex.32:26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. (Ex.33:9)

Spiritual and Physical Israel will stand alone (together) by the Grace of YHVH/ The LORD is present within this fellowship. We are called to be a spiritual people and our bodies are to be temples unto the LORD our God.1 Cor.6:17,18,19,20/ Matt.5:13-16/ Rom.12:1

"You are either with Israel or against Israel"/ Elohim/ The many membered body. When Bush made the statement "you are either with us or against us" he wasn't clear of who he meant by "us". Its obvious that "We the people" are not the U.S. government and the people are not the first priority of tHe Government. I believe we are to embrace the laws of the land SECOND to the LAW of YHVH.

Physical and Spiritual Israel is 1) to bring forth the Word of God. 2) Israel is to serve as an example of what it means to have a relationship with YHVH.

(Ex.19:6/ Deut. 7:6/ Deut.26:19/ 1 Pet.2:9)

Today we have two candlesticks/lampstand which involve Spiritual Israel. Both of which are becoming persecuted more and more. The land of Israel is the primary barometer for a biblical watchman.

There shall come a time of apostacy (trouble) when those who seek to be gathered in the "Holy Place" will be those who are harvested out of season. (Matt.24:15-16/ Mk.13:14/ Lk.21:20-21).

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The Almighty oversees what state any land is in. The sources of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims all have mention of the land that is known as Israel ("Palestine") today. And much to the surprise to those who dont know these sources, each mention the Almighty giving the land to Israel (decendants of Jacob) following the Exodus.

- "To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."-  Quran , Night Journey chapt.17:100-104

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I Strongly suggest http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/group/lionsden/forum/topics/palestin... for anyone not educated on relative history of the territory of Judah ("palestine" / Judea and Samaria/ "Israel")

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Before this divine intervention "Jebusites" were known to dwell in the land. The LORD has been known to show signs towards the way He is either pleased or displeased with the people of the land which tends to relate to territories.

When Israel was given the land it was divided into territories. These territories related to the 12 tribes.

Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Nathtali, Gad, Asher, Issacher, Zebulon, Joseph, Benjamin

But the details includes that The tribe of Levi wasn't given its own territory but rather dwelled within Judah's for The LORD was their inheritance and the priests were to keep the temple. when it came to Joseph he was given a double portion thus two territories named after his sons Ephraim and Manasseh.

As time went on Israel had many issues And The LORD was always there to either render blessing or curses relating to their own fruits. The menorah miracle of the rededication of the temple showed God's pleasure with the preisthood and temple. However the fall of Israel that followed was also an exspression of where the nation stood with The LORD. a sign of the temple menorah preceeded this. Following the crucifixion (fulfilled passover sacrifice) the Menorah wouldn't stay properly lit anymore, showing God's displeasure with the corrupted priesthood and their failure to recognise Messiah (Yoma 39).

Currently in the time of the gentiles (Lk.21:20-24), The Passover (blood) sacrifice has been fulfilled for All that will be drawn to partake of it! The Apostels today consist of Spiritual Israel (those who have partaken of the Grace of God by faith Gal.3:24-29).

So honestly I find it appropreate that today Jerusalem consists of different quarters- Christian, Armenian, Jewish, and Muslim. And that the people that dwell in the land dont consist of one ethnicity. The Spiritual walk of Israel is now open to all (Matt.24:14/ Jn.3:16). And whomever embraces The Grace of The LORD and their faith be counted unto them for righteousness IS embracing His right hand (Messiah/ Emmanel) weather or not they call this relationship "Salvation of Yah"= Yeshua!

"Beware of the Leaven" we are told. So we have need of separating ideologies and politics ("zionisim") from the true meaning of "Israel" which is to mention a ongoing Relationship with The LORD our God. This is the reason that Jacob was given this name after wrestleing with the angel of the LORD.

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The politics of the Palestinian - Jewish conflict is rooted in earthly ignorance and ideologies.

Believers in One Almighty surely accept the fact that earthly kingdoms, and nations only exsist according to what God allows. Interestingly enough the Palestinian agenda requires perverting history while being hijacked by islam, of whoms sources also have declared the land was given to Yisrael by the Almighty.

- "Say: 'O God, King of the kingdom, Thou givest the kingdom to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off the kingdom from whom Thou pleasest; Thou endowest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: all the best is in Thy hand. Verily, Thou hast power over all things.'" [Qur'an 3:26]

- "And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin."Qur'an 5:20-21

A fruitful watchman can't lean towards jihadist, zionist, or crusader ideologies when it comes to the Land of Israel.

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The reinstaement of Israel in the last days isn't only a fulfilment of Jewish and Christian scriptures but also has mention in muslims quran. "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

There is One KING of kings and LORD of lords.

So know that we see mention in all "Abrahamic" sources of faith that the land of Israel is given to the desendants of Jacob and that the territory of Judah would be reinstated in the end times why would a believer Still breed hate and division through politics and ideologies that surround the pocession of the land?

It's rather simple. (Eph.6:12)

jihad/ Lets start with political ideologies found rooted within muslim circles. Muslim sources constantly speak down on Jews and Christians calling them foul names such as pigs, monkeys, kafir, infidels,... Muslim sources paint Jews as wicked and worthy of death in which even trees will say "oh muslim here is a Jew behind me come kill him". They teach this hate to their children. Muslims cant deny that their sources say these things without useing muslim deception (Al Taqiyya) and that their sources tell them not to "take the Jew not Christian as a friend for they are friends of one another". The ideology that is islam even teaches muslims to decieve non muslims of what islam teaches and that islam is to be taught in the layers of abrogation which means that you teach a new muslim or non muslim that islam is peace which is Abrogated by defense which is Abrogated by offensive Jihad. This way a new muslims often embrace a false islam yet when they learn true islam are worthy of death if they leave or exspose it to others.

The true form of islam uses the Palestinian conflict to further their jihad against non muslims (Jews and Christians) for they feel that they will be rewarded sucessful and while their sources tell them Jews are given to dwell in these lands the reasons differ. For the true meaning of islam is to submit where as the arabic for peace is salam of which they are told to only wish peace to other muslims.

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Political "zionisim" is another side of the earthly conflict found amoung some that claim to embrace Judaisim and Christianity. It is rooted in scriptures having to do with Israel however given political twists that play into the governmental and religious certain power structures. These two conflicting systems of politics (Islamization and Zionisim) are used by forces of darkness to mold minds and hearts (Spirits) to embrace certian actions (Works). This will play into creating a One world system which will serve the antichrist.

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Zech.12:1-3 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. 2Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.. (Vs.4-5 gos on to describe how God is supreme and shall stand against earthly forces according to his own will, much like what Egypt exsperianced after attempting to come against Israel in the past conflictS and what the forces of the battle of Gog and mgog will exsperiance)

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Gen.12:2-3 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Ex.19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Deut.7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deut.26:19 And to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honour; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the LORD thy God, as he hath spoken.

 

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It's God's will that Jews reside in Israel when Moshiach comes. Zech 14 mentions a place of refuge created for them during the battle of Gog and Magog. 

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(As well as the gentiles)

Matt. 24:32-35 (Mk.13:28-31/ Lk. 21:29-33)/ Jer. 16:15/ Jer. 30:3/ Is. 11:11/ Joel 3:1/ Amos 9:11/ Eze. 36:22,33-35/ Deut. 4:27-28, 30-31/ (Gen.15:18/ Gen. 26:3/ Gen.28:13,28)

We are told the One World system will be set up by man , it will recieve a death blow, it will be revived and serve the agendas of the antichrist. (Rev.13/ Dan.7..) Therefore its vital that a watchman not only discern the fruits of individuals but also nations as a whole. Whatever that nation be.

Feel free to share updates on where nations stand with their relations to Spiritual and physical (secular)  Israel here!

Personally, I can't say that i see the current U.S. administration as supportive of Spiritual Israel.

with so much political unrest currently in majority muslim nations, I tend to wiat for more aggression against Spiritual Israel (worldwide) from the resulting power structures.

"Palestinian Agenda" is one of hate and isnt interested in a 2 state resolution (peace).

[Jeannine Jennings]

In the Scriptures when Father spoke of Israel it was in reference to the lost 10 tribes. Does this mean all the Christian Nations? All the Christian Peoples? Only the Elect? Or, the Actual country of Israel which is always called Judah?

[Jeannine Jennings]

Also, lest we forget that many of today's Jews have in the past mixed with the Kinites, thus their beliefs were corrupted. Are not their beliefs a combination of the Laws of Moses and Babylonian? Even though Father's favorite place is Jeruselum, I don't believe He is pleased with the corruption allowed of His Word, be that anywhere on the planet earth. Couldn't Jeruselum have more than one meaning and also be this entire world? Just throwing some pondering thoughts out there.

[William H.]

I use Gal.3:24-29 as rule of thumb (Spiritual Israel), one that is inwardly. I believe there is enough evidence that much is known of the differ migrations of the tribes however i believe we always have need of being cautious of the leaven found within politics. So even while we can know areas that have been known to recieve knowledgeable waves of physical Israel we cant really look to their earthly power structures as Israel.

When it comes to the "Elect", Yes I see this as The Israel of Great importance in which God annoints (Blesses) and protects, thus those who curse them shall be cursed! ^1

[William H.]

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 1 John 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

[William H.]

Beware of the leaven. Earthly politics continues to seek to further perverted (dark) ideologies by using the 4 dynasties . Be found on the foundation. Ps.118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

 

"Christianity is not a religion its a reality" (Heb.11:1/ Jn 4:24)

[William H.]

In Isaiah 66:7-8, the prophet foreshadowed the re-birth of Israel, which happened "in one day." The woman giving birth before going into labor represent Israel. This accurately describes what happened on May 14, 1948 - when the Jews declared independence for Israel as a united and sovereign nation for the first time in 2,900 years.

During that same day, the United States issued a statement recognizing Israel's sovereignty. And, only hours beforehand, a United Nations mandate expired, ending British control of the land. During a 24-hour span of time, foreign control of the land of Israel had formally ceased, and Israel had declared its independence, and its independence was acknowledged by other nations. Modern Israel was literally was born in a single day.
(British forces captured Jerusalem 1917)
A political movement called "zionism" began to encourage Jews worldwide to move to Israel,following their exile. Within hours of the declaration of independence in 1948 (following World War II), Israel was attacked by the surrounding countries of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia (Zech.12:1:-9). Before the fulfillment of the state of Israel being reinstated "Palestinians and Jews were known to reside in peace.

___One Day___

When reading Isaiah 66:7-8, keep in mind that Israel's status as a sovereign nation was established and reaffirmed during the course of a single day, and that it was born of a movement called "zionism", and good or bad there is biblical support for this being fulfillment of prophacy of which relates to The End times and is used to shape it. 

"Ashkenazi Jew" is an identification rooted in Geography (location) NOT  (blood) linage (also known as "The Jews of Germany" ). Its not a claim of being "Khazars" as many Jew haters claim (rather its in relation to dwelling in the territory of  Ashkenaz /Gen.10). Is it possible that some physical khazars also became "Jewish" by faith? sure, and there is nothing wrong with that cause the faith of Judaism isnt exclusive to a single race or bloodline but to go around demonizing those using this identification claiming none of them are physical Jews is done only in ignorance (a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing). "Ashkenazi Jews" adopted the id of "ashkenazi" based on the location in which they (these spacific Jews) settled in relation to biblical people and their territories after being forced out of Israel.  

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543

There are 3 biblical uses of the term Jew.

1)Physical (blood) descendant of Judah/ Tribal

2) Geographical: Each tribe was given a territory (with exception of Levites) Those who dwelled in the territory of Judah could assume the title Jew in the geographical sense. ALSO Judah being the king line its territory was the capital of Israel (with exception of the time of separation of the two houses) thus assuming the name Jew was a way of identifying Israelis in general since Judah identified the Kingdom (of Israel) Paul used this sense when he said I am a Jew Yet also made it clear he was a Benjamite (of the tribe of Judah). When Israel was split into two house there was a second temple (capital set up in the north and a separate king. Those who vowed to the king of Judah and the embrace Jerusalem (and The Temple) as their capital would have continued to identify themselves as "Jews" reguardless what tribe they were from or territory in which they lived at the time which points to the 3rd concept.

/3) Faith: One who embraces (Claims) the faith delivered to the kingdom of Israel identifies themselves as "Jewish". In modern times this context is commonly used to identify those in Judaism (even though it includes some man made laws (Takanot) and or leaven like all organized (man made religion) and Yeshua said a Jew is a Jew which is one inwardly (of course he spoke of The True Way aside from leaven) in reguards to Faith. http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/study-finds-no-eviden...  "Sephardic Jews" -Jews of Spain/ Some attempt to say that Jews that identify themselves as Sephardic are "false Jews" cause of 2 Kings 17:24,26,31,32... Missing the fact that Sephardic Jews are not claiming to be these people (Sepharvaim) they are claiming to be Jews living in the land of the Sepharvaim not that they are the original Sepharvaim in these verses which vs 24 even directly says.Can there be some that claim to be Sephardic Jews that are not physically Yehudim but rather of the Sepharvaim? Yeah sure but you can't stereotype all those who claim to be Sephardic Jews as these Sepharvaim (unless your just a guess what? Yep you got it Anti Semite (Jew hater) who uses limited knowledge and quite often are actually demonizing true Physical descendants of Israel.

Todays political secular state doesn’t claim to be the kingdom

 3 three oaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Oaths

and it would take a super natural event to transition the secular state into The Eturnal Kingdom 

[His_Will]

(Matt.24:16/ Zec.14:4/ Eze. 39:11/ Rev.11:9-11)

Below: The Caucasus mountains which the House of Israel once ventured over and were later called calcasians as they became refugees from Babylon taking the norther territories and later the House of Judah also was known to have migrations through these mountains as well as:

2) The mountains of Turkey

 

[His_Will]

http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/video/deadly-wound?commentId=2993852... a closer look at what was considered Philestine.

[William H.]

1 Sam 8:5,6,7,8,19,20 (Israel's change from a Theocracy to a Monarchy)

5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.7  And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.

(Samuel warns Israel)

19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.

(Ps.118:8) Let it be known, to put all of ones faith and support in a political system shows little to no faith in God.

[William H.]

"Palestine " and Philistine are not two words for the same thing. Philistine isnt biblical Israel it was in fact west of the territory of Judah along the coast. Maps here. Good sermon on the deadly wound!

[William H.]

Israel has given up Much land (since its victory in the 6th day war) in the name of peace only to recieve violence and lies of "peace" in return.

[His_Will]

The enemy doesn't only pervert HISTORY for their cause. I recently saw a claim by an anti zionist Jew hater that was an outright LIE. Thus i will expose it here incase others come across the claim. Here is the claim:

There is only one way to respond to such lies. Expose them and their agenda. Its obvious there is only one reason for such LIES. To demonize Jews and the state of Israel. These ARE HIS WORDS " We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place.All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs."/ Letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Teveth, Shabtai, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; and Karsh, Efraim (2000), Fabricating Israeli History: The 'New Historians'; this has been extensively misquoted as "[We] must expel Arabs and take their places" after appearing in this form in Morris, Benny (1987), The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947–1949, Cambridge University Press, p. 25.... 

The enemy also fabricated a quote they put on Sharon.