Who will be "left"/ "taken"?

[William H.]

Matt 24:36-44

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Lk.17:32-37 (as in days on Noah vs.26-27 and days of Sodom/Lot vs 28-29)

Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Feel free to discuss. A few points of interest to discuss could be:

 

* Who is taken?

"taken" Greek # 3880 to receive near, that is, associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation); by analogy to assume an office; figuratively to learn: - receive, take (unto, with).

* Who is left?

("left" Greek # 863

(to send; an intensive form of to send forth, in various applications: - cry, forgive, forsake, lay aside, leave, let (alone, be, go, have), omit, put (send) away, remit, suffer, yield up.)

* Who is the Thief?

(may want to consider 1 Thess 5:2-4/ 2 Pet.3:10)

* Which one is Blessed? (the one "taken" or the one "left")

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Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matt.13:30

Study notes:

Job.38:13   That it might take hold of the "ends" of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? / Job38/....... .38: As for the "ends"/"corners" (*Job.38:13) of the earth.. Understanding of Hebrew idoms and Jewish symbology acknow...ledges that corners represent completeness and Torah which is why you put tzitzits on the corners of the garment (vs.14). Its related to Foundations (vs.4), The foundation being Torah (thats what our fruits should reflect). The wicked shall be seperated from the foundation (the Rock)of creation (Job.38:13). Biblically we relate the sphere of the world to the directions that round it! That is why you see mention of the four winds (Rev.7:1,3/ Mk.13:27/ Matt.24:31).
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Rev.7:1,3 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Matt.24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mk.13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven
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In the NT it says the four winds (north south east and west/Example Zech.2:6)/ The End/ are (is) held back until the elect are sealed So that it will the the wicked that are taken out of the way which is what Job.38:13 is pointing to in the Tanakh/ btw breath and wind relate to spirit and its the spirits that will be judged (sealed) so if you understand you will see how all this relatesSee More

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Is.40:22* "It is he that sitteth upon the circle (Hebrew#2329- 'Chug') of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"...... The Word used here does NOT mean flat at all rather it (chug) means: Circuit, vault i.e. as far as one can see around or above (ROUND/ Sphere)/ (aslo see Job.22:14/ Pro.8:27)..... Only in modern science has man (Nasa) been able to physically document that the universe is expanding however we can see mention of it here as well as mention that the earth is round which history claims that many once thought it was flat. Science (man) continues to play catch up with the Word. (science being mans best attempt to physically documents the ways of Physical creation.) Anyone interested in truth questions anything (weather it be in relation to science or Faith). The Word even says Study to show thyself approved and NOT to trust in man or lean unto thy own understanding. The Word goes on to say that Faith itself requires "EVIDENCE". Heb.11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Carnal knowledge simpley doesnt compare to Spiritual understanding. we are told least ye are born again (spiritual eyes and ears) you can not see (comprehend) the kingdom (SPIRITUAL truths) / "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." --Albert Einstein// Proverbs.9:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding"

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Zech.14:5 (day of the LORD vs.1) "And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" (Matt.24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains) ... - to "Azal": To the height of the mountaintops that are from either side. So did Menahem classify this (Machbereth p. 32), with (Isa. 41:9) “and from its nobles I called you.” Its meaning is an expression of height. -Rashi / Is.41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away./ Bullinger- (Zech.14:5 "the mountatins"= My Mountains. So called because of the physicalchange which HE will yet bring about, in the twonew mounts formed out of One. Azal- a new place, yet to have this name, at one extemity of the valley. Azal (atsel)- From H680; noble; Atsel, the name of an Israelite, and of a place in Palestine: - Azal, Azel. From atsal- A primitive root; properly to join; used only as a denominative from H681; to *separate; hence to *select, refuse, contract: - *keep, *reserve, straiten, *take. (Matt.24:36-44)

[William H.]

Dear Chette, Eph.4:11 identifies some brothers as "pastors"

Eph.4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

We arent to follow man but we also arent to disrespect instruments (brothers in the faith) of God. While i dont always agree with everything Arnold puts forth I Know he is used of God to bring many to life giving truths (both in the milk and the meat). Thus i see no issue in calling him a Pastor. It would be a different story if he went by "reverend" cause we arent called to reverance man.

Matt.23:8-10

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

 A shepherd doesnt hold himself up, his priority is feeding (God's) sheep.

Matt 23:11-12

But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

One thing i respect about Muray is that he doesnt give place to gossip about others (other ministries, preachers,..) during the time he puts into feeding the sheep. He does share ways to tell true instruments of the Spirit from fakes but never mentions individuals by name.  

 

[08oqo27awwutv]

I too have a problem with men who use the term reverend because

 Ps 111:9 . . . holy and reverend is his name.

I reworded a statement by Murray because if points to the fundamental truth that God's word stands on its own regardless of how men misuse it.

[JOSEPH]

 What did you reword by "Pastor Murray" ?  You're post's ar very famililar in

context to "Chette".  I think you are one in the same under a different

handle.

[His_Will]

The posts under the i.d.  "08oqo27awwutv" are those of "Chette". They remain because they were responded to and a part of the discussion here. They have this new i.d. cause Chette was deleted from FriendsNChrist, Chette's agenda was to gossip about individuals. This person was (contacted &) encouraged  to share their views without making others their focuss and they Refused to do so. 08oqo27awwutv constantly insisted on starting discussions and blogs with the intention of pointing fingers at certian individuals. If this person would have made their points without doing so they would still be here (I dont exspect you to see another post from this i.d.). Sorry if i killed the discussion but there are more productive ways to fellowship than to mis quote others while making gossip a focuss.

[JOSEPH]

"The posts under the i.d.  "08oqo27awwutv" are those of "Chette". They remain because they were responded to and a part of the discussion here. They have this new i.d. cause Chette was deletedfrom FriendsNChrist, Chette's agenda was to gossip about individuals. "

Dear Moderator,

Thank you for this information, I feel you have acted in the interest of the members,

FriendsNChrist is not the place for anyone to try and force

their opinions and or agenda on the members.

I feel this is a place to share information concerning the

word of "GOD"

[JOSEPH]

Dear Moderator,

I am looking for a reply posted today by William H.

His reply was here. 

Upon logging in, his post cannot located.

Was his post deleted ? If so can you say why?

Sincerely, Joseph

[Michael John]

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Good point, thank you !

 

I should have checked the Greek.

 

The English “taken” and “left” can be misleadingly read as “taken away”/destroyed, and “left”/survived. Taken and left. It’s like looking at a half full/empty glass, but yes, the Greek does make it clear. I will have to very soon correct where I have referred to it incorrectly in www.declarethedecree.com

 

As you show the Greek it is more correctly similar to “taken in” and surviving, and “left out” and destroyed.

 

i.e. who will be received and saved, and who will be forsaken and destroyed.

 

So although in fact “the flood took all the wicked away”, Noah was embraced and saved alive in the Ark. In that sense Noah was “taken” in, and the others were “left” out to be swept away.

 

Lot gladly looked and moved forwards to building a future somewhere else, but presumably Lot’s wife was loath to leave behind her house, home and friends. She looked  back and was destroyed. Sodom was destroyed by fire and brimstone. They all died but Lot survived, happily giving up everything he had and moving forwards to a new future. So yes, Lot was taken and saved, but his wife hesitated and was lost:

 

“Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Remember Lot’s wife.

Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord ?  And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (corpse) is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.” (Luke 17:30-37)

 

i.e. It will happen to the wicked everywhere: inescapably “wheresoever” they are.

 

“But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.” (Matthew 8:22)

 

Like the “flood”, “fire and brimstone” and vultures (“eagles”), in that day fire will take care of the spiritually “dead”, whersoever they are found.

 

Those forsaken/left will become ashes under the feet of the living that were taken in, embraced and saved:

 

“For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.” (Malachi 4: 1–3)

 

Those that run into the “strong tower” are totally safe !

 

After His “indignation” has passed over, they emerge safely from the “strong tower”, and tread down the wicked whersoever they were, as ash under the soles of their feet !

 

His “dominion” will come first to these of the “strong tower”, “the daughter of Jerusalem”.

 

So yes, it is those “taken” or received into the "strong tower", “Ark”, “barn” and “stall” that are saved alive, and those “left” who are swept away or burnt up.

 

See “Tower of the Flock”:

http://www.declarethedecree.com/marriage_of_the_lamb_appendix_h_lin...

 

[Michael John]

 

( meek ═ humble )

 

Blessed are the meek:

for they shall inherit the earth.

Matthew 5: 5

 

But the meek

shall inherit the earth;

and shall delight themselves

in the abundance of peace.

Psalms 37: 11

 

The meek will he guide in judgment:

and the meek will he teach his way.

Psalms 25: 9

 

The meek

( humble ! )

shall eat and be satisfied:

they shall praise  Yahweh  that seek him:

your heart shall live for ever.

Psalms 22: 26

 

And he said,

Therefore said I unto you,

that no man can come unto me,

except it were given unto him of my Father.

John 6: 65

 

For thus saith the high and lofty

One  that inhabiteth  eternity, whose name is  Holy;

I dwell in the high and holy place,

with him also

that is of a

contrite and humble spirit,

to revive the spirit of the humble,

and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

Isaiah 57: 15

 

Thou,

even thou, art to be feared:

and who may stand in thy sight

when once thou art angry?

Thou didst cause judgment to be heard from heaven;

the earth feared, and was still,

When God arose to judgment,

( written for future survivors ! )

to save all the meek of the earth.

( in that great and terrible day ! )

Selah.

Psalms 76: 7–9

 

Again,

the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net,

that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

Which, when it was full, they drew to shore,

and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels,

but cast the bad away.

So shall it be at the end of the world:

the angels shall come forth,

and sever the wicked

 

from among the just,

And shall cast them into the furnace of fire:

there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

Yahshua

saith unto them,

Have ye understood all these things?

They say unto him,

Yea, Lord.

Matthew 13: 47–51

 

For the upright shall dwell in the land,

and the perfect shall remain in it.

But the wicked

shall be cut off from the earth,

and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.

Proverbs 2:21–22

 

The way of

Yahweh

is strength to the

upright:

but destruction

shall be to the workers of iniquity.

 

The righteous  shall never  be removed:

 

but the wicked  shall not  inhabit the earth.

 

The mouth of the just

bringeth forth wisdom:

but the froward tongue shall be cut out.
The lips of the righteous

know what is acceptable:

but the mouth of the wicked

speaketh frowardness.

Proverbs 10: 29–32

 

See "Humble Inherit the Earth" http://www.declarethedecree.com/marriage_of_the_lamb_appendix_i_lin...

 

[His_Will]

I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. Jn 17.. continues “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. //To be sealed with the truth is to escape the deception (great tribulation)

2Thess2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Matt.24:39 (in the days of Noah it was the wicked that "knew not until the flood came, and took them away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be

Lk.21:34-36 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to *escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. (Those sealed with truth are armed for tribulation/ Jn.17:14-19/ Lk.12:5)