Will U Stand With Israel?

[William H.]

Will you stand with The Many Membered Body? What body? That of Moshiach? That of a secular order? 

Is there a “Spiritual Israel”? Who is a Prince of El? Who prevails with G-D? Inward Jews? Grafted in? 

Gal 3:6-7,24-29, Lk.3:8 ,Matt.3:9, Deut.30:6, *Rom.2:10-11,29, Rom.9:6-8, Rom.4:11-16, Col.3:10-11, Matt.12:50, Mk.3:35,

body under יהוה . Eph.2:19-22/Authority- (Jn.5:43;6:38,44/ Jn.8:36-40/ Matt.21:23-27;28:18-19/ Acts.2:36;3:22;10:36/ Eph.2:19-22/ Matt.18:18-20/...)

 The context of both phy. and Spiritual Israel is vital to understanding the Word in truth and proper order and authority. Not all that are physically of Jacob are in covenant and not everyone in covenant are physical descendants of Jacob. 

What or who is the “church”?

Ekklesia

 Ex.32:26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. (Ex.33:9)

Spiritual and Physical Israel will stand alone (together) by the Grace of YHVH/ The LORD is present within this fellowship. We are called to be a spiritual people and our bodies are to be temples unto the LORD our God.1 Cor.6:17,18,19,20/ Matt.5:13-16/ Rom.12:1

"You are either with Israel or against Israel"/ Elohim/ The many membered body. When Bush made the statement "you are either with us or against us" he wasn't clear of who he meant by "us". Its obvious that "We the people" are not the U.S. government and the people are not the first priority of tHe Government. I believe we are to embrace the laws of the land SECOND to the LAW of YHVH.

Physical and Spiritual Israel is 1) to bring forth the Word of God. 2) Israel is to serve as an example of what it means to have a relationship with YHVH.

(Ex.19:6/ Deut. 7:6/ Deut.26:19/ 1 Pet.2:9)

Today we have two candlesticks/lampstand which involve Spiritual Israel. Both of which are becoming persecuted more and more. The land of Israel is the primary barometer for a biblical watchman.

There shall come a time of apostacy (trouble) when those who seek to be gathered in the "Holy Place" will be those who are harvested out of season. (Matt.24:15-16/ Mk.13:14/ Lk.21:20-21).

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The Almighty oversees what state any land is in. The sources of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims all have mention of the land that is known as Israel ("Palestine") today. And much to the surprise to those who dont know these sources, each mention the Almighty giving the land to Israel (decendants of Jacob) following the Exodus.

- "To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."-  Quran , Night Journey chapt.17:100-104

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I Strongly suggest http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/group/lionsden/forum/topics/palestin... for anyone not educated on relative history of the territory of Judah ("palestine" / Judea and Samaria/ "Israel")

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Before this divine intervention "Jebusites" were known to dwell in the land. The LORD has been known to show signs towards the way He is either pleased or displeased with the people of the land which tends to relate to territories.

When Israel was given the land it was divided into territories. These territories related to the 12 tribes.

Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Nathtali, Gad, Asher, Issacher, Zebulon, Joseph, Benjamin

But the details includes that The tribe of Levi wasn't given its own territory but rather dwelled within Judah's for The LORD was their inheritance and the priests were to keep the temple. when it came to Joseph he was given a double portion thus two territories named after his sons Ephraim and Manasseh.

As time went on Israel had many issues And The LORD was always there to either render blessing or curses relating to their own fruits. The menorah miracle of the rededication of the temple showed God's pleasure with the preisthood and temple. However the fall of Israel that followed was also an exspression of where the nation stood with The LORD. a sign of the temple menorah preceeded this. Following the crucifixion (fulfilled passover sacrifice) the Menorah wouldn't stay properly lit anymore, showing God's displeasure with the corrupted priesthood and their failure to recognise Messiah (Yoma 39).

Currently in the time of the gentiles (Lk.21:20-24), The Passover (blood) sacrifice has been fulfilled for All that will be drawn to partake of it! The Apostels today consist of Spiritual Israel (those who have partaken of the Grace of God by faith Gal.3:24-29).

So honestly I find it appropreate that today Jerusalem consists of different quarters- Christian, Armenian, Jewish, and Muslim. And that the people that dwell in the land dont consist of one ethnicity. The Spiritual walk of Israel is now open to all (Matt.24:14/ Jn.3:16). And whomever embraces The Grace of The LORD and their faith be counted unto them for righteousness IS embracing His right hand (Messiah/ Emmanel) weather or not they call this relationship "Salvation of Yah"= Yeshua!

"Beware of the Leaven" we are told. So we have need of separating ideologies and politics ("zionisim") from the true meaning of "Israel" which is to mention a ongoing Relationship with The LORD our God. This is the reason that Jacob was given this name after wrestleing with the angel of the LORD.

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The politics of the Palestinian - Jewish conflict is rooted in earthly ignorance and ideologies.

Believers in One Almighty surely accept the fact that earthly kingdoms, and nations only exsist according to what God allows. Interestingly enough the Palestinian agenda requires perverting history while being hijacked by islam, of whoms sources also have declared the land was given to Yisrael by the Almighty.

- "Say: 'O God, King of the kingdom, Thou givest the kingdom to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off the kingdom from whom Thou pleasest; Thou endowest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: all the best is in Thy hand. Verily, Thou hast power over all things.'" [Qur'an 3:26]

- "And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin."Qur'an 5:20-21

A fruitful watchman can't lean towards jihadist, zionist, or crusader ideologies when it comes to the Land of Israel.

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The reinstaement of Israel in the last days isn't only a fulfilment of Jewish and Christian scriptures but also has mention in muslims quran. "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

There is One KING of kings and LORD of lords.

So know that we see mention in all "Abrahamic" sources of faith that the land of Israel is given to the desendants of Jacob and that the territory of Judah would be reinstated in the end times why would a believer Still breed hate and division through politics and ideologies that surround the pocession of the land?

It's rather simple. (Eph.6:12)

jihad/ Lets start with political ideologies found rooted within muslim circles. Muslim sources constantly speak down on Jews and Christians calling them foul names such as pigs, monkeys, kafir, infidels,... Muslim sources paint Jews as wicked and worthy of death in which even trees will say "oh muslim here is a Jew behind me come kill him". They teach this hate to their children. Muslims cant deny that their sources say these things without useing muslim deception (Al Taqiyya) and that their sources tell them not to "take the Jew not Christian as a friend for they are friends of one another". The ideology that is islam even teaches muslims to decieve non muslims of what islam teaches and that islam is to be taught in the layers of abrogation which means that you teach a new muslim or non muslim that islam is peace which is Abrogated by defense which is Abrogated by offensive Jihad. This way a new muslims often embrace a false islam yet when they learn true islam are worthy of death if they leave or exspose it to others.

The true form of islam uses the Palestinian conflict to further their jihad against non muslims (Jews and Christians) for they feel that they will be rewarded sucessful and while their sources tell them Jews are given to dwell in these lands the reasons differ. For the true meaning of islam is to submit where as the arabic for peace is salam of which they are told to only wish peace to other muslims.

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Political "zionisim" is another side of the earthly conflict found amoung some that claim to embrace Judaisim and Christianity. It is rooted in scriptures having to do with Israel however given political twists that play into the governmental and religious certain power structures. These two conflicting systems of politics (Islamization and Zionisim) are used by forces of darkness to mold minds and hearts (Spirits) to embrace certian actions (Works). This will play into creating a One world system which will serve the antichrist.

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Zech.12:1-3 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. 2Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.. (Vs.4-5 gos on to describe how God is supreme and shall stand against earthly forces according to his own will, much like what Egypt exsperianced after attempting to come against Israel in the past conflictS and what the forces of the battle of Gog and mgog will exsperiance)

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Gen.12:2-3 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Ex.19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Deut.7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deut.26:19 And to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honour; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the LORD thy God, as he hath spoken.

 

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It's God's will that Jews reside in Israel when Moshiach comes. Zech 14 mentions a place of refuge created for them during the battle of Gog and Magog. 

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(As well as the gentiles)

Matt. 24:32-35 (Mk.13:28-31/ Lk. 21:29-33)/ Jer. 16:15/ Jer. 30:3/ Is. 11:11/ Joel 3:1/ Amos 9:11/ Eze. 36:22,33-35/ Deut. 4:27-28, 30-31/ (Gen.15:18/ Gen. 26:3/ Gen.28:13,28)

We are told the One World system will be set up by man , it will recieve a death blow, it will be revived and serve the agendas of the antichrist. (Rev.13/ Dan.7..) Therefore its vital that a watchman not only discern the fruits of individuals but also nations as a whole. Whatever that nation be.

Feel free to share updates on where nations stand with their relations to Spiritual and physical (secular)  Israel here!

Personally, I can't say that i see the current U.S. administration as supportive of Spiritual Israel.

with so much political unrest currently in majority muslim nations, I tend to wiat for more aggression against Spiritual Israel (worldwide) from the resulting power structures.

"Palestinian Agenda" is one of hate and isnt interested in a 2 state resolution (peace).

[His_Will]

"Why/What are these Three Oaths? *One, that Israel should not storm the wall {RaShI interprets: forcefully}. *Two, the Holy One adjured Israel not to rebel against the nations of the world. Three, the Holy One adjured the nations that they would not oppress Israel too much" 1) That isnt what happened INSTEAD the land was given them in ONE DAY as the prophesy Said it would/ 2)Returning to the land according to prophesy isnt rebelling against the nations of the world. 3)So called Palestinians are transgressing the third oath though! (3 oaths) 

[William H.]

[William H.]

One Day Is. 11:11; 27:12,13, Jer.30:7, Eze.37:21-28; 39:25:29, Hos.3:4-5, Joel3:16-21, Amos 9:11-15, Obad.1:17-21, Zech.12:3-10, Rom.11:5,6,15, 26

[William H.]

[William H.]

In Ex.32 Moshe asked "who is on the Lord's side", the people who agreed to live according to the covenant laid out in Torah were separated from physical members of "Israel" who rejected the Torah and those who rejected were killed. Israel is to say He who prevails with G-d, prince of El. Later John the Baptist made it clear "think not to say he have Abraham as our (phy) father for G-d is able to raise up from these stones seed unto Abraham. Messiah also acknowledge that physical sons of Abraham doesnt mean you are a spiritual son (ben) of Abraham. The concept of circumcision of the heart is found in the Tanakh. G-d isnt a respecter of persons. You are not justified by the physical relations u have when your born. The same chapter of Ex also says And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. Many can say they are Jews yet the truth can be found in their walk. The concept of "Spiritual Israel" (The Abrahamic Covenant) doesnt replace the concept of phy Israel. (Abraham means father of many nations).

 

[William H.]

Quran And We did certainly give the Children of Israel the Scripture and judgement and prophethood, and We provided them with good things and preferred them over the worlds 45.16

[William H.]

https://www.enterthebible.org/Controls/feature/tool_etb_resource_di... Joshua (13-21) 14 http://www.bible-history.com/geography/maps/map_canaan_tribal_porti...

[William H.]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/islamic-state-head-palestine-will-be-...

Muslims sometimes say they like that jews are gathering in Israel to they can kill them.

[William H.]

Neturei Karta (and other “anti Zionist”sects) is out of touch ( don’t even keep track of real news or current events) and their stance is religious and even they have no way to apply it to modern politics or government. What people often fail to see is that the secular state doesn’t claim to be the priesthood or the kingdom and the critics of the state have no solution of substance and too often enable and support enemies of the state making them to blame for the unrest..... I found it funny when NK went to Iranian leader and tried to express the concern of Jews over the holocaust to him when rest of world knows he doesn’t even believe in it...... also notice muslims love Anti zionists like they love hister anyway.... everything is going according to plan!

[William H.]

That we are commanded to take possession of the Land which the Almighty, Blessed Be He, gave to our forefathers, to Avraham, to Yitzchak, and to Yaakov; and not to abandon it to other nations, or to leave it desolate, as He said to them, "You shall dispossess the inhabitants of the Land and dwell in it, for I have given the Land to you to possess it,"^[13] and he said, further, "To Inherit the Land which I swore to your forefathers (to give them)"; behold, we are commanded with the conquest of the land in every generation.^{[14] Nachman / Rambam}

Num.33:53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.

^{https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Oaths}

Num.33:53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.

[His_Will]

Dan.9:19 “O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do, do not delay; for Your sake, my God, for Your Name is called upon Your city and upon Your people."

Baruch haba B’Shem Adonai 

[William H.]

Surah 2:47 O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I preferred you to (all) creatures. (47)