To perish or to inherite eturnal life? What does it mean to say never ending torment?


Mal.4:1-For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Matt.10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (note the key word Destroy)

destroy. apollumi, ap-ol'-loo-mee; from G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflex. to perish, or lose), lit. or fig.

Revelation 3:5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. (note: the phrase Blot out- to do away with) /Acts 3:19/

Deuteronomy 4:24For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.


Isaiah 30:27Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:


Revelation 2:11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. (Rev.20:6)


Revelation 20:14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
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2nd death- Ecclesiastes 9:5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

(Those who are blotted out at the final judgement will not even be remembered, it shall be as if they never even exsisted).

 

When someone speaks what they say goes forth throughout all space and time (waves) yet that person isnt constantly saying this thing.
 
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Revelation 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev.14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Matt.25:41)

 "the SMOKE OF their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever" . when something burns it burns until there is No more enegy left the Biproduct is smoke which ascends forever. Thus they perish but the torment being The Final state remains their final state "Forever and ever"
Ever here is the Greek term Aion and it has more than one use:
1)for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, * eternity
2)the worlds, universe
3)*period of time, age

Some take a single view of this One verse^ and ignore the numerous others that contradict their view. This blog shows where all the scriptures on the subject agree.


Now find where this agrees with all comparing scriptures in truth.

(Hebrew ideom/ There is an acrostic in the 37th Psalm (note/Ps.37:7,20,34) which is a verse describing the same! when describing the fat that drips off the lamb and the smoke that is the bi-product! The effect is everlasting of the lake of fire. Finie, Forever, Final, Over, done.(evermore)
an object burns until all the energy is released. It is then reduced to ashes which has no substance. The bi-product (smoke/tourment) ascends up and up (and blends into the air) this is a picture of their final state which is forever and ever they will never know another state cause they cease to exsist. This torment is greater than any could imagin for God is a consuming fire. (The flaming sword of truth.) One's eyes are open to the fact that they were wrong in every transgresion they committed and that they have not embraced that (atonement/Salvation of Yah) which frees them of such. The one who is already condemned to perish by name is Satan of which one of his names is the son of perdition (to perish/Heb. 12:29).
"Forever and ever"- eis tous aionas ton aionon



Ezekiel 28:18-19
18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. (Is.14:20)

1 Corinthians 15:53-54 /KJV/For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


Corruptible- flesh - to age, able to get sick, open to wear and tear.
Incorruption- spirit- doesn't age, nor gets sick
Mortal- lieable to die
Immortal-eturnal
at the 7th trumpet (at an instant "twinkling of an eye") all shed the flesh ("will be changed"). We have both a flesh body and spirit body! Those who die of the flesh passover into the spirit realm (*Suggest: Where are the dead). A Spirit is incorruptible but must also put on immortality.
John 3:36


Mal.4:2-3 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts./review & comparison
(Sun?Vs.2- who is a consuming fire? Who is the light? Who is the Morning star? Luke 1:78, Duet.4:24, Duet.9:3, Heb.12:29, REV. 22:16

The 2nd death only happens at the End of the Lord's day.

 Those who take part of the 2nd death Perish which is Final and comes after torment (the realization they are damned). Sadly not all will embrace the sacrifice (to think we have some who still say all will be saved/lol). The smoke (bi-product) is the end and represents this being Forever a Final Judgement as to be finished when they are blotted out but such spirits cease to exsist after being consumed.(period)

Another name for the devil (accuser) is DEATH Heb.2:14

Another one of his names is  Rev.9:11 /Apollyon - greek/ Abaddon- Hebrew/ which means to case to perish

Partaking from this tree (knowledge of good and evil) brings death (Gen.2:17). After which one must partake of the tree of life (Yeshua/ Jesus) to live Gen.3:22) /conquer death/ 1 Cor.5:6,7,8

Throughout the Word this concept holds true that those who embrace death shall find it both physically and spiritually. Those who embrace Life shall find it. God is Just (Rev.19:1,2)

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The Soul that sinneth shall die.(Ezekiel 18:4,20) Rom.6:23/ Rom.5:12

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The English context of the term "hell" is used very loosely. It is vital that one understands this and does research on the places that the english translations use this term. Other terms in the english sources are grave and lake of fire in which people commonly label as hell.
These are terms often translated to hell in such sources (they each have there own meaningS (note the difference in physical grave to that of spiritual context):

Sheol- Get the facts HERE <--- Sheol - Hebrew 
1) Physical grave,
2)pit
3)(figurative) State of Spiritual realm and after physical death
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A)the underworld
B)Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
1-place of no return
2-without praise of God
3-wicked sent there for punishment
4-righteous not abandoned to it
5-of the place of exile (fig)
6-of extreme degradation in sin
http://www.biblestudysite.com/35.htm -The above link

 Side Study notes: Enoch 22:9-13 mentions sheol as having 4 compartments (hallow places). 3 divisions (Example four fingers up 3 divisions)

(Talmud) Berakoth 7a says there are 4 kinds of spirits in sheol (in context of place awaiting resurrection) 

1)The Righteous who prospers/ RP

-Bright spring of water-

2) The Righteous whom suffers/ RS

- Righteous who were killed (marytrs,..) or judged during life -

3)Wicked who prospers/WP

- Wicked who werent judged in their life (Harsh wake up to them at judgement)-

4)wicked whom suffers/WS

- wicked who suffered judgement on earth-

Key/: - = Enoch

Or(...1.....2.....3)

- RP/ WP/ RS/ WS

-1.....2.....3......4

Other sources on the subject The Tanya: Chapter 1, Zohar vol.2 pg.117b,

(Matt.10:15/ Lk.10:12 Sodom and Gamorah were rebellious by culture and had not received the Word)

Ps.37 acrostic (Ps.37:7,20,34) Don't think for a minute that the wicked get ahead.

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Hades- Facts HERE
1)Physical Grave

Above link- http://www.biblestudysite.com/131.htm

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Gehenna- info in prior link.
When one looks at a thing in a spiritual context such can be described as figurative or metaphoric seeing as what is spiritual is documented as unseen to the flesh.
We can give a spiritual context to a physical one. like for example a Phyisical Death (grave) can be liked unto a Spiritual death. The word does tell us of both of these deaths and may god open eyes and ears to the context of which he shares the facts of this subject.
Three types of context
1) PHYSICAL Grave
2) SPIRITUAL State of Death figurative
3) BOTH spiritual and physical (example when Christ says hell is like unto the Valley of Hinnom, in which is a place where Garbage, carcases, and such from the walled city was burned. This is a good discription of both the first and second death!

(Discription of the state of tourment: Mk.9:43-48/ Is.66:24)

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tartaroō  (Greek #5020) Only at 2 Pet.2:4 (holding place in which fallen angels are held unto judgement)

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Lake of Fire- For those who partake of the spiritual death this is their END

 

To each his own. If you want to rebel against your Father The LORD our God have a nice Trip! Reason we were created- Rev.4:11 - For his pleasure. Have you given The LORD pleasure? Or does he have no need for you?

Matt 25:46 - eturnal punishment.

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Comment by William H. on July 5, 2013 at 10:57pm

Gen2:16-17; 3:1-3 (4) Gen.3:22 The wage of sin is death (phy. &) Spiritually lest you put forth your hand and also take of the tree of life and live for ever. (1 Cor.15:53-54)

Comment by His_Will on February 15, 2012 at 10:41pm

2 Thess.7-9

7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Comment by William H. on December 29, 2011 at 9:31pm

Yeshua did not see corruption and His spirit did not reside in the grave Ps.16:10

Yeshua went to prison following the crusifixtion where he delieverd many who had not heard the good news of the Grace of YHVH 1 Pet.3:19

Comment by William H. on June 2, 2011 at 6:06am

Matt.7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(Some may understand that this is speaking of the 1st resurrection) The focuss is not all will make it.

Some like to claim that all will be saved out of perverting such areas as 1 Tim.2:4,1 Tim.4:9-11, and  Jn.12:32
I see no biblical support to say all are predestined to salvation (OR eturnal life). Jn.12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." None come to the Father but through Messiah. He Is The Way (Door). It is a strech to say this is saying all will be Saved. Jn 6:37 All That The Father Giveth Me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. vs 39 And this is the Father's will (intent, inclined, desire) which hath sent me, that of ALL WHICH HE HATH GIVEN ME I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. "all" here is who? Those drawn of the Father. Jn 17:12 While I was with them(who?) in the world, I kept them(who?) in thy name: those that thou gavest me (!) I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled (all here are his sheep). Jn 6:44. Father (The heart knowner) gives us a choice to embrace him or to turn (reject) away. Rom.5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. YHVH is the Only Savior of all (that shall be saved).(1 Tim.2:6)1 Tim.4:9-10 is speaking of who? Its instruction for the True teachers in relation to the brethern (1 Tim.4:6-10). There is only one savior of all /vs 10- For therefore we(?) both labour(?) and suffer reproach(?), because we(?) trust(?) in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially(?) of those(?) that believe(?). If you reject him you dont recieve salvation (be honest with yourself and scripture). Anyone who teaches that God saves all reguardless of their heart, faith and embrace of his blueprint for salvation is of another doctrine. We have further mention of the judgement at this last day (end of) The Lord's day which begins the 3rd aion (eturnity) and Rev 20 is clear that some wont make it (along with many other scriptures). 2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing (showing he wants all to Come unto REPENTANCE) that any SHOULD perish, but that all SHOULD come to repentance./ Note rebellion/to perish is an option and again God gives us a choice. You cant force love and thats what the Father seeks from us is our Love. Prov.21:3, 1 Sam.15:22, Hos.6:6, Col.3:14, 1 Cor.13, 1 Pet.4:8, *Deut.6:5 & Mk 12:30, Rev.4:11 Choose THIS DAY whom ye will serve Josh 24:15 (Deut.11:26; 30:19). Some wish to bypass any relationship with yHVH and just get all the blessings. Father doesnt work that way and never gave such a message. I see any such message as an offense that leads people to sin and destruction.

Let not hippies distort the Word of God. 2 Thess.1:8-9 . .

Psalm 37:28-29 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

Comment by William H. on March 7, 2011 at 2:39pm

2 Pet.3:7-9 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Comment by His_Will on January 2, 2011 at 3:07pm
Tartaroo- (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in torment: - cast down to hell. / negative side of the gulf/ example 2 Pet.2:4
Comment by William H. on December 2, 2010 at 11:52pm

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Comment by William H. on December 17, 2009 at 10:31am
Revelation 14:9-10 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (Judgment time)

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. (all souls belong to God to judge)

Psalm 5:4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.


Colossians 1:17:And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (thus at his hand things can cease to exsist (Matthew 10:28) God is a consuming Fire)!

Isaiah 59:2/ Proverbs 15:29

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Psalm 16:11 Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.


Psalm 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. (sheol- grave)
Comment by William H. on December 10, 2009 at 6:41pm
Ps.37:20
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
Ezekiel 18:20
20The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Comment by William H. on May 21, 2009 at 2:20am
We both know what i say isn't important! The english use of the term hell is more than one term in the orginal context of the scriptures! The English use of the term has more than one use! 1) Physical grave! 2) Lake of Fire/ The Physical grave exsists today but the lake of Fire doesn't. I would like to refer you to my blog "where are the Dead"?! so as to the context of the question my answer is Yes and NO!;) Good Day!

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